What is going on with 35mm

[Sal Santamaura]

...One tends to get what they pay for.

Relying on that is perilous; one is frequently disappointed when doing so. A more valuable saying is "one almost always must pay for what one gets."

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

If the government does not take sales tax or income tax will find taking money from you another way.

Montana has income and property taxes.

 

[Huss]

So speaking of film... it seems that Fuji has NOT discontinued C200, as the stuff I am buying from RiteAid says made in Japan, while the single rolls say Made In USA.

Again, I encourage anyone looking for film to not just look at the two or three large retailers, but do a google search. Many places do have it in stock.

By the by, I just shot two rolls of Lomo Metropolis. They freakin shortchanged me! Both rolls only gave up 34 exposure in my F6!! And looking at the roll, that's all that would fit. The F6 usually gets 36 no matter what 36 exp film is used.

 

[ant!]

No, that just means that your tax rate is much higher. But that has nothing to do with the price of film.

US and Canada are the only countries where prices are quoted before tax, in all other countries including tax. So even if the US has a quite low tax rate, often you pay taxes, but they are not included in prices. In the rest of the world, they are...

 

[AZSkip]

I agree, can be difficult to locate film. I’ve been on a notify list with B&H for a while. While on my way to another store here in the Phoenix area (Arizona USA), stopped at a Walmart and bought two packages of Fuji Superia X-Tra 400 (three 36 exposure rolls each package). Process before dates of July and October 2024. I asked the clerk if he could price-match the Walmart.com price of $19.18 each 3-pack and he did (better than the shelf price of $23). At least I have some film.

 

[Huss]

I agree, can be difficult to locate film. I’ve been on a notify list with B&H for a while. While on my way to another store here in the Phoenix area (Arizona USA), stopped at a Walmart and bought two packages of Fuji Superia X-Tra 400 (three 36 exposure rolls each package). Process before dates of July and October 2024. I asked the clerk if he could price-match the Walmart.com price of $19.18 each 3-pack and he did (better than the shelf price of $23). At least I have some film.

Forget that B&H nonsense. They sell Superia 400 for $16/1 roll and it’s out of stock!

 

[Sirius Glass]

I agree, can be difficult to locate film. I’ve been on a notify list with B&H for a while. While on my way to another store here in the Phoenix area (Arizona USA), stopped at a Walmart and bought two packages of Fuji Superia X-Tra 400 (three 36 exposure rolls each package). Process before dates of July and October 2024. I asked the clerk if he could price-match the Walmart.com price of $19.18 each 3-pack and he did (better than the shelf price of $23). At least I have some film.

 

[qqphot]

I go through lots and lots of Delta 100 but almost nothing else. So far I haven't been impacted by the shortages but I wonder if that's coming. I heard that Ilford has instituted a price increase just recently too.

 

[gone]

it seems that Fuji has NOT discontinued C200, as the stuff I am buying from RiteAid says made in Japan, while the single rolls say Made In USA.

You never know about labels though. I worked at a Nissan dealership that also carried Rolls Royce, and the water pump for th0se ran nearly $600 (this was $600 from 40-50 years ago). The same pump at the Chevy or Olds dealership was $32. Rolls Royce changed the labels, and added a few symbols to the pump's part numbers on the casting.

 

[Huss]

You never know about labels though. I worked at a Nissan dealership that also carried Rolls Royce, and the water pump for th0se ran nearly $600 (this was $600 from 40-50 years ago). The same pump at the Chevy or Olds dealership was $32. Rolls Royce changed the labels, and added a few symbols to the pump's part numbers on the casting.

Your dealership sold Datsuns and Rolls Royces?

 

[AgX]

A few weeks ago I called their offer erratic. Now I call it zero. But it maybe they give by purpose wrong informations at their website to deter commercial resellers.

Meanwhile two Kodak films are shown as available again at many resp. some of german drugstore chain stores.
As said, offer is erratic.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

US and Canada are the only countries where prices are quoted before tax, in all other countries including tax. So even if the US has a quite low tax rate, often you pay taxes, but they are not included in prices. In the rest of the world, they are...

Sales tax rates are different in each of the 50 US states. Some states have no sales taxes at all. So when B and H and other photo shippers apply sales tax to the state where they ship the item, the sales tax amount will be different and based on what that state charges, of anything. That's why they can't include the sales tax in their published sheets of prices. Also, not everything has a sales tax even in states that have sales taxes in general. For example, most states don't add sales tax on medical goods or food or clothing, or other necessities for living. Of course, some might consider film as one of life's necessities. But unfortunately, the government bureaucrats don't think that way.

State by State: The Highest and Lowest Sales Taxes

Vertex is the leading and most-trusted provider of comprehensive, integrated tax technology solutions, having helped 10,000+ businesses since 1978.

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Also, VAT taxes are added at each level of manufacturing in Europe. That's why VAT taxes are included in the selling price. Sales taxes in the US are added only to the last final price the item was sold at to the final purchaser. Dealers and distributors do not pay sales taxes.

 

[ant!]

It is just a different way of advertising prices. The comparison does not fit completely, but the different EU countries have different VAT rates. You can order from a shop in France to Germany, and would pay the French VAT. And yes, VAT is applied at every level, North American sales tax only to the end of the chain. In Europe (and probably all other countries outside US & Canada) it is forbidden to list a price to consumers without a VAT included.

In a web shop it would be technically possible to set the sales tax rate to the destination's tax rate (since this is what counts in North America, not the origin). In larger shops in Canada like Staples, they ask anyways in which province you are, so setting the correct tax rate is no problem, but in North America it is only displayed at checkout.

Or even worse: In actual shops and restaurants where you know where you are. Tax is displayed only when you pay, not on the shelf/menu...

In Europe and many other countries are as well different taxes rates, e.g. Germany has 19% in general, but 7% for food and other essentials. So I see no difference there...

Canada is a bit more complex with federal (GST) & provincial (PST or QST), and some provinces have both combined into one rate (HST), and each has different exemptions. But the vendor needs to know anyways how the product is taxed... And if a shop has no place in the destination province, they charge only GST if you are in a GST/PST province, but HST when you are in a HST province. The full rate (HST or GST+PST) if they have a registration in the destination province. So, the client actually needs to know the tax laws to know what to expect, which is a mess. E.g. if I order to Quebec from Quebec, I pay 5%+9.975%. Same for a shop from Ontario which has an office in Quebec. If this shop from Ontario has no office in Quebec, I would pay only 5%. If I would order something from Quebec to Ontario, I would pay in every case 13%, since Ontario is an HST province...

I think all taxes included shown to the end clients is easier for the consumer...

 

[Sirius Glass]

It is just a different way of advertising prices. The comparison does not fit completely, but the different EU countries have different VAT rates. You can order from a shop in France to Germany, and would pay the French VAT. And yes, VAT is applied at every level, North American sales tax only to the end of the chain. In Europe (and probably all other countries outside US & Canada) it is forbidden to list a price to consumers without a VAT included.

In a web shop it would be technically possible to set the sales tax rate to the destination's tax rate (since this is what counts in North America, not the origin). In larger shops in Canada like Staples, they ask anyways in which province you are, so setting the correct tax rate is no problem, but in North America it is only displayed at checkout.

Or even worse: In actual shops and restaurants where you know where you are. Tax is displayed only when you pay, not on the shelf/menu...

In Europe and many other countries are as well different taxes rates, e.g. Germany has 19% in general, but 7% for food and other essentials. So I see no difference there...

Canada is a bit more complex with federal (GST) & provincial (PST or QST), and some provinces have both combined into one rate (HST), and each has different exemptions. But the vendor needs to know anyways how the product is taxed... And if a shop has no place in the destination province, they charge only GST if you are in a GST/PST province, but HST when you are in a HST province. The full rate (HST or GST+PST) if they have a registration in the destination province. So, the client actually needs to know the tax laws to know what to expect, which is a mess. E.g. if I order to Quebec from Quebec, I pay 5%+9.975%. Same for a shop from Ontario which has an office in Quebec. If this shop from Ontario has no office in Quebec, I would pay only 5%. If I would order something from Quebec to Ontario, I would pay in every case 13%, since Ontario is an HST province...

I think all taxes included shown to the end clients is easier for the consumer...

To make it even more confusing in the US each state has its own set of sale tax rules which may include a county or city tax. In California it you buy food to take out [food to go] it is not taxed if it was not prepared, but if it was prepared, for example heated, then it has sales tax. So one just puts the credit card in the machine and magically it all gets taken care of without any buyer recourse.

 

[Huss]

Cheap color film is finally here!

Midwest Photo is selling Fuji Superia 400 36exp 3 packs for $15.75 Stock up while you can. You’re welcome America.

www.photrio.com

 

[MattKing]

Can we get off the subject of taxation issues please.
Otherwise, I'll be forced too either:
1) edit this thread heavily; or
2) bore everyone to death posting about how VAT systems can be effective in lowering the cost of manufactured and distributed items, due to the ability of parties in the chain to offset VAT paid against VAT charged!
Consider yourself warned

 

[Huss]

@MattKing I have no idea why we cannot attract younger people with all this sexy tax talk! On a photography site.

 

[Huss]

In case people haven't heard, mpex.com has Fuji Superia 3 rolls 36exp for $15.75.