Following up on hennings post - firms with ex Agfa kit;
Adox - Agfa Coater being re-installed (and a small pilot coater from leverkusen research)
Inoviscoat - Agfa Coater (scaled down to reduce width of c1m plus a pilot coater )
Harman/Ilford - Agfa film packaging equipment
Leverkusen lives on..
It would be most interesting to hear the way(s) in which you found E100 different, particularly as compared to E100G. Thanks in advance for any details you can share.
The big manufacturers built their coating machines themselves.Anybody knows the relationship between Carestream and Ferrania? Somewhere in the huge Ferrania threads Dave Bias mentioned that the coating line at Carestream was identical to the H line ("big boy") in Italy and they were a conjoint project to build.
I was given to understand that a lot of other equipment at Ilford was purchased over the years from AGFA, possibly including their coating line.
Anybody knows the relationship between Carestream and Ferrania? Somewhere in the huge Ferrania threads Dave Bias mentioned that the coating line at Carestream was identical to the H line ("big boy") in Italy and they were a conjoint project to build.
Hello Charles,
yes, Ilford has bought important equipment from Agfa, but not their coating line. Their most important asset with Agfa origin is certainly their 35mm film converting/finishing line. We've seen that in action at our factory visit and our tour-guide Simon Galley told us the very interesting story of the enormous challenges of implementing it.
This machinery is very impressive: Huge, fully automated, you put the film pancakes in at the beginning, and at the end of the line you get completely packed 35mm films in their boxes. Output is about one film box per second.
Best regards,
Henning
Just thinking about my simple emulsions...totally agree. My formulas are maybe a page long, but to replicate from scratch would be a 100+ page write-up, a handful of excel spreadsheets, and a power point presentation thrown in for good measure.
Speaking of which, I found two rolls of "Ilford Colour Film" from le late 90's, that was made by Fuji right?
Does that mean that any CHS 100 II a consumer purchases was coated in Marley? Or does it refer to Marley's critical role in the R&D that resulted in consumers being able to purchase CHS 100 II that was coated elsewhere?...I can assure you that without the Marly coating line there couldn't be new CHS 100 II...
Anybody knows the relationship between Carestream and Ferrania? Somewhere in the huge Ferrania threads Dave Bias mentioned that the coating line at Carestream was identical to the H line ("big boy") in Italy and they were a conjoint project to build.
Relationships like this are quite interesting. On youtube there is a large series on interviews to ex Ferrania management and it is mentioned many times that Ferrania made x-ray film for Kodak for the European market, and that ultimately in 2003 or so Kodak brought out the whole x-ray division of Ferrania, leading to the ultimate demise of the imaging division as it was not profitable anymore.
I know the Ilford coating line at Mobberley was British made and upgraded by the manufacturers.
I've heard Simon Galley say the same about the Agfa machinery they bought, one was the one used for the edge markings of 35mm and 120 films.
The other thing Simon told us was all the major companies had licensed Ilford's patented coating head technology.
Then Ilford have had agreements with Fuji manufacturing some films for them, also B&W paper, and Foma have (or had) a joint confectioning plant with Fuji. So there's a lot of inter-trading between some of the companies.
Ian
Several Swiss engineers were involved in the new coating machine and when it was finished, they returned to Switzerland to set up their own company. They licensed parts of their own coating machine design which had some parts of Kodak technology included, from Kodak. This is all I know about it, but perhaps Henning Knows more.
PE
Henning wrote the following in response to another post by Ron, but I suspect it might also explain why he hasn't answered my question:And the difficulty in reading between lines continues....Does that mean that any CHS 100 II a consumer purchases was coated in Marley? Or does it refer to Marley's critical role in the R&D that resulted in consumers being able to purchase CHS 100 II that was coated elsewhere?
...I cannot go here into further details because of NDA's...
Im Sommer hatten wir erfolgreich einen ersten Testbeguss CHS 100 II Planfilm in Marly durchgeführt. Inzwischen steht der etwas einfachrere Planfilm-Schichtaufbau sicher auf der kleinen Gießmaschine in Marly. Die Kleinbild und Rollfilme sind komplexer und wir arbeiten noch daran.
Please don't apologize for either your translation or English. If my German were one percent as good, I'd be very proud....Pardon my bad German translation...
EDIT: also pardon my bad English
The way that is ambiguously worded (I tried Google translate too -- it didn't make things any more definite), combined with Henning's inability to answer directly, combined with Mirko's silence, does nothing to decrease my confidence that CHS 100 II production coating is not done at Marley. My deduction is unshaken that, until Polywarmtone hits the market, Marley coats only test runs of ADOX sensitized products, with production coating occurring elsewhere.From ADOX's website...
http://www.adox.de/Photo/chs-100-ii-planfilm-wieder-da/
In the summer we successfully carried out the first test cast of CHS 100 II sheet film in Marly. Meanwhile the somewhat simpler Sheetfilm is safely placed on the small casting machine in Marly. The small-format and roll films are more complex and we are still working on them...
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