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Different Nations have different standards, but .999 or more rarely .9999 is a "pure" as you can get it.

I would only use bullion coins (rounds & ingots) no jewlery, and remember, you'll pay up to an extra 50% over Spot just in 'minting' fees, just to have the metal in hand.

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I have inherited this ancient vial of ChloroAuric Acid from a photographer colleague who passed away recently.

I have been doing some digging into formulae that I can use to make my own gold toner now that my Tetenal is exhausted (I make conventional and salt prints). My question for all you gold standard workers is what, in your view, is the most appropriate formula to use that would serve for both of the printing techniques I use?

Also, my education in chemistry stopped at high school A-level and that was a long time ago... is it best to convert this unknown quantity into a 1% solution and is this simply a weight/volume ratio? I have no idea how much may be in this vial, which measures about 6cm in length, but I'd guess it is 1g? Will find out when I open it, having weighed it beforehand. That is isn't going to make much 1% solution so I want to make sure I get it right!

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Hello Agx,
Thanks for your reply and information. Is the item below suitable? It doesn't say whether it is dry or in a solution - or does it?? This is my problem. If it is not in solution how would I make it up?
Gold(III) chloride , >=99.99% trace metals basis

The item in the list below it is slightly cheaper bur says that it is in deionised water rather than distilled water which I would think is not suitable.

Thanks for your interest - eli griggs too.
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Firstcall in the UK list Tetenal gold toner, very expensive at £92 per liter
 

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Firstcall in the UK list Tetenal gold toner, very expensive at £92 per liter
Yes, Firstcall are the only company with stock in the UK as far as I know. The price has always gone up in line with the price of gold as far as I can see. I think I paid <£60 for my last litre about ten years ago.
Sigma Aldrich have Gold(III) chloride hydrate at £128/gm +VAT currently.
But why pay £92 when I've got the key ingredient to hand? Just need to make sure I use it correctly!
 

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Roy,

Well, I think that I can help... I'm a retired chemistry professor!

I think that your supposition that this is a 1 g vial is correct. This is generally how small amounts of precious metal salts are packaged... 1 g sealed in a glass ampule. Although, looking at the age of the package it could actually be a 15 grain vial. (There are 15.4 grains in a gram so the difference is unimportant here.)

And yes "1%" most probably indicates a 1g/100 mL solution. This should most correctly be written as "1%(w/v)" to distinguish among the the other possibilities, but I would assume in most cases where the "(w/v)" is omitted that we are talking a weight/volume (w/v) solution.

However, there is another "wrinkle" to take into account. It looks to me like you have the monohydrate. (That is what the "x H2O ion the label indicates.) You will may need to take that water of hydration into account when you make your solution depending on exactly what your recipe calls for.. more on this in a bit.

(Also, I doubt that the extra proton ("H" in the formula) of your "chloroauric acid" compared to simple "gold chloride" to will matter for making gold toner.)

The formula weight of gold chloride is 303.33. The formula weight of water is 18.02. Thus the formula weight of monohydrate is the sum of these, or 321.35. (Note that I am ignoring the "H", with a formula weight of 1, it is inconsequential here.) What all of this means is that your monohydrate has a bit less gold per weight that the anhydrous (without water) compound.

The "correction factor" is 303.33/32135 or 0.94. You may need to make this correction if your recipe calls for anhydrous gold chloride. If your recipe calls for monohydrate no correction is needed. If your recipe does not say (and many don't) then your guess is as good as mine!

To make a 1% (w/v) solution entails dissolving 1 g in 100 mL of solution. The most careful way to do this is to dissolve the solid in about 75% of the final volume and then to bring the solution up to the final volume. This allows you to account for the volume the solid takes up in the final solution.

However, for a very dilute solution like this you are safe just adding the solid to 100 mL and dissolving.

If your recipe calls for anhydrous you would apply the above correction fact by making only 94 mL of solution instead of 100 mL.

I hope this help...
 

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Well, I think that I can help... I'm a retired chemistry professor!

Frank,
Thank you - exactly what I needed to know! I knew the hive brain of Photrio would come up with an answer and you explained it with professorial clarity!
Thankfully my chemistry memory is sufficient to understand everything you say. Well, I have been a photographer all my life and it helps keep the chemical bonds in place, so to speak...

Now to pick a formula...
 
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