What are these films?

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I recently purchased some interesting films, including a 1946 expired 116 verichrome (just need a camera and dev. tank) but I have no idea what these 127 bw films are. does anyone know what they are, what iso I should shoot them at (I've got a manual 127 camera), and any development information?
I have three of the german films, but only one of the belgian film.

 

[Dusty Negative]

I recently purchased some interesting films, including a 1946 expired 116 verichrome (just need a camera and dev. tank) but I have no idea what these 127 bw films are. does anyone know what they are, what iso I should shoot them at (I've got a manual 127 camera), and any development information?
I have three of the german films, but only one of the belgian film. View attachment 252060

What are your thoughts as to what kind of shots you'll take?

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

What are your thoughts as to what kind of shots you'll take?

don't know. right now, I want to figure out if my yashica 44 has light leaks, then I'll try these films plus two dated kodak rolls.

 

[Dusty Negative]

don't know. right now, I want to figure out if my yashica 44 has light leaks, then I'll try these films plus two dated kodak rolls.

Possible Light leak + very expired film = Great Adventure!

Good luck. Look forward to seeing the results.

 

[AgX]

The belgian one of course is from Gevaert. But I do not know that packaging. It could have been a generice wrapper, with being added a cardboard box with the respective brand. Gevaert produced for rebranders too.

On the german one I only can guess, it being made by Perutz, also for rebranding.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

here's what the band says on the german films (haven't unwrapped the Belgian one yet)
Fine grain panchromatic film
recommended exposure guide with a shutter speed of 1/50 for average subjects:
bright f16
hazy sun f11
cloudy bright f8
open shade f5.6

I can also see a made in west germany that's partially covered.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Just checked the Belgian film- all it says is panchromatic film.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Slight update- the Yashica 44 does NOT have light leaks.

 

[summicron1]

they are probably generic asa 100 film -- I used to buy the same stuff out of a jar for $1 a roll at the camera store.

given their age, I'd say rate them about about asa 25...

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

they are probably generic asa 100 film -- I used to buy the same stuff out of a jar for $1 a roll at the camera store.

given their age, I'd say rate them about about asa 25...

I think I'll give one of the german films a try at 25- maybe attempt a stand development to see if there's any labels on the film.

 

[AgX]

they are probably generic asa 100 film -- I used to buy the same stuff out of a jar for $1 a roll at the camera store.

Over here generic film rather is a thing of the single-use-cameras. All others were branded in some way.

 

[Donald Qualls]

@AgX These are probably from the 1970s, when 127 was still common enough to have brand competition and might well have generated "store brand" films the way 35mm still does (or did, as recently as ten years ago, anyway). I recall shooting Ektachrome in a Baby Brownie around 1974, but in the USA, film other than Kodak and Agfa was pretty uncommon, at least where I lived.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

@AgX These are probably from the 1970s, when 127 was still common enough to have brand competition and might well have generated "store brand" films the way 35mm still does (or did, as recently as ten years ago, anyway). I recall shooting Ektachrome in a Baby Brownie around 1974, but in the USA, film other than Kodak and Agfa was pretty uncommon, at least where I lived.

I've seen ilford 127 film for sale on ebay.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Right, and Rerapan and Rerachrome are current offerings -- but I'm talking about when 127 was really common. Common enough that at least a couple manufacturers were making it in generic form for rebranding, the way Foma does with 120 today.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Right, and Rerapan and Rerachrome are current offerings -- but I'm talking about when 127 was really common. Common enough that at least a couple manufacturers were making it in generic form for rebranding, the way Foma does with 120 today.

Yea, I know there's some legitimate re rolling and that Ferrania has the intent of making 127 film, but I legitimately once saw an ilford fp3 (1960s expired) roll for sale once.

Also, why does no one ever mention rollei crossbird is available in 127?
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/66029-Rollei-Crossbird-200-ISO-Slide-(Cross-Process)-film-127-size

 

[AgX]

@AgX These are probably from the 1970s, when 127 was still common enough to have brand competition and might well have generated "store brand" films the way 35mm still does (or did, as recently as ten years ago, anyway). I recall shooting Ektachrome in a Baby Brownie around 1974, but in the USA, film other than Kodak and Agfa was pretty uncommon, at least where I lived.

There is a terminology misunderstanding: "store brand" is different from "generic". The latter is something like "135-36 CN ISO 200".

But I admit in effect it does not matter, as many store brands can only be traced as difficult as generic films.

 

[Agulliver]

I had good luck with a British made 127 film a couple of years ago which had an early 70s expiry date. I did eventually figure out who manufactured it, not that it really mattered. I shot it in a Bencini Comet which doesn't have much in the way of manual controls but I assumed the ASA rating was likely originally 100 and shot in very bright sun so as to effectively shoot at 25 or 50. The exposures came out fine when I developed in ID-11 stock for 8 minutes, inverting twice every 60 seconds. If you do end up over exposing that's probably no big deal. And I usually develop unknown B&W neg film in the manner described on the grounds that ID-11 should develop just about anything.

There are a few references to the Super-Tone film online but no further info than OP has discovered. Perutz did produce film with wrappers of a similar colour but that's not really any guarantee that you have a Perutz film. The Belgian film is almost certainly Gavaert.

Going forward if you want to use your 127 camera with new film, Rerapan is a brand of respooled brand new film. You can often find Ilford HP5+ respooled for 127, but it's not cheap. Film Ferrania are indeed hoping to eventually produce P30 and possibly other films in 127 format which might be cheaper than Rerapan.

 

[AgX]

The Belgian film is almost certainly Gevaert.

Not almost, but for sure.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I had good luck with a British made 127 film a couple of years ago which had an early 70s expiry date. I did eventually figure out who manufactured it, not that it really mattered. I shot it in a Bencini Comet which doesn't have much in the way of manual controls but I assumed the ASA rating was likely originally 100 and shot in very bright sun so as to effectively shoot at 25 or 50. The exposures came out fine when I developed in ID-11 stock for 8 minutes, inverting twice every 60 seconds. If you do end up over exposing that's probably no big deal. And I usually develop unknown B&W neg film in the manner described on the grounds that ID-11 should develop just about anything.

There are a few references to the Super-Tone film online but no further info than OP has discovered. Perutz did produce film with wrappers of a similar colour but that's not really any guarantee that you have a Perutz film. The Belgian film is almost certainly Gavaert.

Going forward if you want to use your 127 camera with new film, Rerapan is a brand of respooled brand new film. You can often find Ilford HP5+ respooled for 127, but it's not cheap. Film Ferrania are indeed hoping to eventually produce P30 and possibly other films in 127 format which might be cheaper than Rerapan.

I've tried rera films-
their slide film had splotches like it was left in humidity
their 100 sped bw film had light leaks along the edge.

I'll stick to crossbird 200 and my expired films until Ferrania has theirs ready.

 

[miha]

On the german one I only can guess, it being made by Perutz, also for rebranding.

I guess before 1973 as it says Made in Germany, and not West Germany or GDR. Correct?

 

[Donald Qualls]

"Made in Germany" ought to be after reunification -- so post 1991 or so.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I guess before 1973 as it says Made in Germany, and not West Germany or GDR. Correct?

the exterior wrapper says made in germany.
the band says made in west germany.

 

[Donald Qualls]

the exterior wrapper says made in germany.
the band says made in west germany.

Well, that narrows it down some. Rolled before reunification, wrapped after?

 

[miha]

"Made in Germany" ought to be after reunification -- so post 1991 or so.

1990, but these are older films.

 

[miha]

Well, that narrows it down some. Rolled before reunification, wrapped after?

No. "Made in Germany" existed before reunification.