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The only "news" worth watching is SBS. Sadly, even ABC TV has been sucked into the tabloid vortex. ABC AM radio still has some credibility and JJJ is a shadow of what it should and could be to younger/alternative listeners - vacuous presenters as bad as anything on commercial radio and a relentless stream or tits and bums innuendo.

But is it any surprise after 11 years of John (Mr rugby jumper) Howard and sadly Kevin Rudd is not far behind him in terms of support or appreciation of arts. At least with leaders like Keating and Whitlam there was a sense the arts might get a look in on the national agenda. I can still remember the furore from "mainstream" Australia when Blue Poles was purchased. Now it is one of the most loved (and valuable) pieces in the national gallery. Leadership in this area is hard and a political no win in the short term. You can forget about any commercial media caring about it unless it's somehow driving advertising dollars.

I was thinking the other day about two events in Australia which attract people to something they are otherwise not normally interested in. The Melbourne Cup and the Archibald portrait prize. Both get people interested in horse racing and the arts for a few days every year. Both involve a contest and winners and losers. Maybe the secret's in there somewhere? There needs to be some form of competition but many artistic people find this objectionable. How about a new TV show called MasterBrush along the lines of Master Chef. Artists spend a week creating a piece and bring it into the studio to be assessed and critiqued by famous artists and the audience gets to vote on their favourite? Can we pitch that one to Jamie Packer? No?!

Anyway, good on you Nicole for taking the fight up.
 

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We only receive three TV channels. One of them is SBS. I am quite amazed about the movies SBS are showing. For example, on Monday afternoon this week one could see Theo Angelopoulos' "The Weeping Meadow." On the next day, there was an interesting Eqyptian movie at the same time and so on. I lived for long periods (i.e. at least two years per country) in three different European countries (D,NL,UK). I received about ten times as much channels but had less opportunities than here to watch European movies outside the mainstream on TV. The only thing I can't understand are the screening times. I would be more than happy to see an Angelopoulos movie at 9pm. At 1pm is seems misplaced.
 

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I get all the news I need form the weather report

not quite the exact quote from Simon And Garfunkel — The Only Living Boy In New York

mostly I watch BBC world service

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I don't watch TV any more (apart from, ahem, World Cup). I try not to read news, but it's hard with headlines all over most websites. I think if anyone expects politicians of any colour to support arts in a major (and meaningful) way, they're in for a long wait. It's also quite debatable whether we would want that in the end; the state sponsored art tends to suffocate everything that is not (state sponsored). The Internet offers real alternatives (such as this very one here), albeit they are electrons and photons, perhaps not tangible enough.
 
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Thought I'd resurrect this one since TV intelligence and artistic merit has continued to decline.

It's sad society today has to conform to "mainstream thinking" set by a few boardmembers.

Don't tell me it can't be done. Collectively we can make the world a better, healthier, more interesting place..... if you are willing. :smile:
 

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I dunno about TV intelligence, why only last weekend SBS TV ran "Der Rosenkavalier" on Saturday afternoon and ABC TV ran another production of the same opera on Sunday afternoon. Both were foreign productions. I suppose that the ABC was possibly trying to up its shattered arts broadcasting credentials somehow.

When I worked for the ABC 40 years ago they used to produce their own operas. And ballets. And symphonic concerts. And not "Spicks and Specks" and every damn time filling panel game thing that Andrew Denton could deliver cheaply.
 

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After reading through so many dispiriting tales of neglect I count myself fortunate indeed to live on Kangaroo Island, South Australia. Within a population of 4,500 we have a large arts community of painters, sculptors, photographers, musicians, print-makers, writers etc., some of them finalists at the Waterhouse and Archibald, some well-known interstate and overseas. Many exhibit regularly interstate. We have a local newspaper that devotes a full page every week to the arts and many articles and pages throughout the year cover the numerous art festivals we have here. There are several galleries selling local artwork and there's a significant annual 10-day festival known as Arts Feast, where artists link up with local wineries, restaurants, coffee shops and similar food outlets, creating exhibitions and food treats in each venue. Any artist has free and welcome access to the local radio station. The State government has begun to take an increasing interest in what's happening here, as our tourist numbers contribute large sums to the state coffers. Last year one of the major gallery owners hired the Wine Centre in Adelaide and set up an exhibition of the best of the Island's art. It was a phenomenal success and was invited back this year, where artists again received high praise and great sales. (On a personal note might I mention with all modesty that one of my photos (sorry, digital) made the front cover of the Adelaide Review, a statewide paper devoted to the arts).
The point of all this is not to make you feel green, but to encourage people to work at the local level. By all means, those who can, try and tackle the large corporations, the ABC etc., but there's great mileage to be made from working at the local level and expanding gradually.
 
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Pardon me for going back to the original proposition, but as the discussion has developed I see the emergence of two streams that has confused the issue. Back in 2009 Nicole wrote .........

Earlier this year, I wrote to the big media moguls asking for more exposure to art in the mainstream. Specifically - to have prime time news, sport and also a few minutes on the latest in The Arts and Science. I received an instant, very short email response telling me sport was the tradition and there is no room for other stuff that people aren't interested in. Such short sighted views are inconceivable.

..........Well, no they're not. The mass media is run as a business to make a profit and they deliver what gives them that profit and what the advertisers will support. And they won't support things that the masses aren't interested in. It makes no difference whether you think they should be interested - you're generally going to get something approaching the lowest common denominator from the mass media.

Art and Science should be mainstream, to encourage more creative thinking, compassion and progress in society. Surely we can be more educated and intellectual than what the media determines us viewers want or need.

Extracted from my blog.

............ That's just a self-serving opinion. What's the basis for saying "Art & Science should be mainstream"? At what period in history has that ever been the case? It's always been an educated minority that supported the "yarts".

So I submit firstly that the proposition being put forward that "big" media and government should increase their coverage of the things we approve of and force feed the rest of the population with stuff they don't want is seriously flawed and naive. I'm not being rude - just pointing out the facts of the matter. That's not to say we should not try to encourage the ABC, for example, to maintain or increase their coverage and content but apart from their wide-ranging charter they have political overlords to satisfy and so they cannot but end up in a compromised position.

The fork in the road I detect relates to evidence offered by several posters who described a thriving local arts scene. This doesn't satisfy Nicole's complaint but the reality is that artistically and musically there actually is a healthy community of arts practitioners and followers spread across the country. Kangaroo Island got a mention. I can think of other areas like the Blue Mountains and the Dandenongs where thriving artistic activity is going on and has done for years. Sure, it's local, but that's where the action is and where like minded people can meet and connect and motivate each other. If you don't happen to live in or near one of those areas then it's a bit tough but my point is they do exist and have done so for many years.

Let me outline a couple of scenarios that work in different ways.
There is a thriving Folk Music community spread right around Australia. It is not governed by location. There are many small local folk music clubs that are part of a wider community that has itself well organised with a monthly magazine bearing news, forthcoming festivals, overseas artists, a gig guide to where and when local artists are performing, reports on shows and festivals - and it's not limited to "folk". It includes bush poetry, bush dancing, bluegrass and independent artists. They even have a National Convention each year. Ever heard of it? Probably not unless you're interested but the fact is that there are several thousand Australians who are involved at some level.
Country music operates in much the same way. You might hear about the Keith Urbans etc, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. Beavering away week by week in countless halls and clubs around Australia there are country music clubs where people come to play and listen, go to weekend camps to compete for awards and go to Tamworth to busk in the hope of getting recognised. Thousands more involved and again they have their own national organisation and magazine.

Compare those scenarios with the level of interest, activity and involvement in the photographic world - specifically the camera clubs around Australia. Do you see anything resembling the same level of involvement and activity and numbers participating? Not a chance. So where does the problem lie? It's pretty obvious, isn't it? And if you're a media mogul and have three proposals on your desk asking for funding or coverage of Folk, Country and Photography, which one is going into the round green bin first?

There's a second problem with photography. There's too much of it. With a modern digital do-anything-auto camera every man woman and child can produce good photographs. Good enough to satisfy their needs for display on a computer anyway. So any photographs that are exhibited as "art" need to be absolute stand-out images that anyone looking at will know that they're far better than anything they can produce themselves. Tough call. Go along to your local show and look at the photographic entries. 90% will be absolute crap in terms of subject choice, composition and presentation. With a first place prize of $5 who in their right mind would enter such a 'competition'? And who judges it? Probably the wife of the mayor if you're lucky. So people struggle on as individuals and count themselves lucky if they can get a bit of wall space in a local coffee shop to hang a few examples of their work. A couple of years ago to try to encourage some interest in traditional photography I offered to provide $200 as first prize for a B&W print at our local show and it was refused on the grounds that it would "upset the balance" of prize values right across the show, including the scones and cake decoration I have no doubt. They would have been happy to take my $200 provided they had absolute discretion in redistributing it across all prize categories.

Consider the differences for painters. Joe Blow and his wife Mary know they can't paint. Never tried, never will. But they'll go along to the annual local Art Prize and admire the entries. Some will be pretty ordinary but some will be excellent and well deserving of the prize money which probably ranges between $2000 and $5000, depending on the status of the show and the sponsorship they have obtained. And many of the artists will sell their work. If you have the chance, go to Bright in NE Victoria at Easter and view the show there and you'll see what I mean - and that's only one of many around the country. And most of the people who go to look can't/don't paint themselves. And there will be "name" artists to perform the judging. Many of the local artists will belong to a society or club that provides space, tuition, workshops, outings and encouragement.

If you hunt around you'll likely find there's some form of infrastructure already there to support most forms of artistic endeavour. Other than photography, most seem to exist satisfactorily or even thrive but they do it on their own and often under the radar. I submit that the problem for photographers is twofold. Their own inertia and individualism and the fact that digital technology has over-run the craft element of the field so that there's little that's seen as special by the 'average punter'. And I don't have an answer for that.
 

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.. the problem for photographers is twofold. Their own inertia and individualism and the fact that digital technology has over-run the craft element of the field so that there's little that's seen as special by the 'average punter'. And I don't have an answer for that.

So far that's the best way of putting it. The quality helps to stand out but it's not enough. Coming back to the TV problem - well, they tend to chop the reality in order to serve the 'average punter'. The real problem comes when the 'average punters' fed with chopped perception en mass come to decide on vital things in our lives...then photography and arts become least problems on the agenda.
 

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I wonder how much this reluctance to promote the arts at a "higher" level is due to cultural cringe and how much is simply a consequence of our being a young country, still pushing frontiers, still searching for an identity, still with numberless materialistic problems to solve. There's still a widely-held perception that artists "don't do anything useful," with the obvious implication that utility is front and centre for a new, vigorous, successful nation. We're a long way from the cultural depth of Renaissance Italy, Baroque Holland or Expressionist Germany, for instance, which could afford a broader view of what it means to be a civilized, balanced society. We can't look back to any kind of "classical" past. All we have to revere and imitate is a bunch of larrikin settlers, a few thousand outrageously-sacrificed soldiers and a great batsman. That's not much on which to found an artistic milieu (although we've done pretty well, nevertheless). I certainly support any raising of the average Aussie's awareness of things creative and I think it's happening, perhaps not in the areas or at a level some would like, but neither do I think Australia is an artistic backwater. We have to find our own imagery. Perhaps the surging wave of Aboriginal art might be the kick we need. Who knows? I think it's just a matter of feeling our way and taking our time. I'm optimistic.
 

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Who is this "WE" of which you speak? Any time I hear someone unilaterally speak for the masses it is always for something that will make us "better" and more "open minded", think, prohabition. I agree that it would be nice if there were more arts but then who is it that would decide what is "art", You? Sports is easy to quantify, it is after all, competition but tastes vary so widely when it comes to things of the "artistic" nature that it is not so cut and dry. I like Robert Mapplethorpe's early works but there is a lot of his work that I find offensive and would not want my children exposed to but if a "cultural committee" decided that "WE" needed to experience all of his work people may get offended. I like it the way it stands, I choose what I like and avoid what I don't, simple. I also monitor what my children are exposed to as that is my imperative as a parent. The great "unwashed" masses are sheeple and so are led around by what sells, don't fall into their trappings unless you can develop the next "Masters of Art" video game or reality television show, oh, oh, I know, how about an Ansel Adams Fat Head wall sticker.
 

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The "we" of whom I speak is my fellow Australians. This thread is largely about our situation in this country - or have I misread it?
 

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The "we" of whom I speak is my fellow Australians. This thread is largely about our situation in this country - or have I misread it?

Correct. The OP's complaint related directly to the local scene.
I thought your previous post was pretty much on the money. We're a very young country. The USA was on it's third President with a developed society and a Constitution (signed in 1776) at the time the First Fleet arrived here with it's load of convicts and military. At times, apart from the uniforms, there wasn't much to distinguish the criminality on either side. Our early Free Settlers were not the cream of artistic excellence, whatever their other admirable attributes. We have no long tradition of fine art or culture - what we have is developing but from a base borrowed from European history and, all in all we've done fairly well. We have State and National Art Galleries that have excellent collections and visiting exhibitions and many smaller galleries in regional centres that play their part. Sure, it could be richer and better communicated but a lot of that depends on us, not people like Kerry Stokes, Rupert Murdoch or James Packer - or Tony Abbott if you want to include the pollies.
 
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From my travels in Europe I've got the sense that the arts- whether mainstream or fringe (however you want to define either)- have more presence in people's lives there than they do in Australia. Mind you, this is a perception, not any kind of evidence-based assessment and probably not grounded in reality.

I think there is still a strong anti-intellectualism in Australia, however when you get down to the grass-roots amazing things happen. Community arts organisations, small theatre companies touring to schools, regional galleries, photo biennales and such like all do amazing work, however the commentators who have power over the media and/or the budgets often dismiss these activities or ignore them. There is a belief that art=opera/ballet/oil-on-canvas still, but real creative activity is much wider and is more inclusive. I don't want to dismiss opera/ballet etc, in fact I worked for the Australian Ballet last year, but the message that art is wider and more interesting and less 'elitist' (I hate that word) isn't getting out there.

The way the arts are communicated and the way they actually exist in the real world are two different things. I think that's the core of it.

John.
 

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Hmmm. I've just got back from a few days in Adelaide, where I spent an afternoon in the State Art Gallery. There wasn't a single photograph exhibited anywhere, despite the fact that the gallery has an extensive collection. When I raised the matter with a member of staff I was given the feeble excuse that "they're too delicate to have on permanent display." Bollocks. There are centuries-old textiles, tapestries, Greek ikons and other fragile objects in environmentally-controlled cabinets, but no, not a single photo. I've written to the Curator of Photography on previous occasions about the same thing. She's never bothered to reply. What a different story when I wrote to her equivalent at the National Portrait Gallery in Canberra. She couldn't have been more helpful and they have constantly-changing displays of their photographic collection. Is this just a South Australian thing? What are other regional experiences?
 

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Just went to the State Gallery Homepage and saw that they had a photo exhibition earlier this year (Tracy Moffat), as well as last year (Candid Camera Australian Docu. Photography 1950's to 70's) so they do show photographs but don't put them on permanent display which is the right decision from a conservatory point of view. I work part time in a museum (with a photo collection my work place) and we rarely show photographs for longer than 2 months with a maximum illumination of 50lx. The Exhibition of the department I work in constantly changes one time watercolours, then waxmodels, then photographs, etc... but never longer than 2 to maximum 3 months.

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Just went to the State Gallery Homepage and saw that they had a photo exhibition earlier this year (Tracy Moffat), as well as last year (Candid Camera Australian Docu. Photography 1950's to 70's) so they do show photographs but don't put them on permanent display which is the right decision from a conservatory point of view. I work part time in a museum (with a photo collection my work place) and we rarely show photographs for longer than 2 months with a maximum illumination of 50lx. The Exhibition of the department I work in constantly changes one time watercolours, then waxmodels, then photographs, etc... but never longer than 2 to maximum 3 months.

Dominik

Certainly, I understand the need to constantly change displays of photos. But I've never seen any of the SA Gallery permanent collection on show and I think that's a great pity. IMHO it's important for the general public (which after all pays for the Gallery and everything in it) to get a sense of the history of photography in Australia and an appreciation of the subjects people have found worth photographing over the years. Yes, they can see some of that in books and catalogues but nothing beats looking at the real thing. I'll continue to pester away at this in the hope that one day they'll do something about it.

Incidentally, I saw that Candid Camera exhibition and heard Robert McFarlane's lecture. It was really wonderful. I want more. We get starved of such high quality photographic exhibitions here. As Nina Simone once sang, I want more, more and then some!
 
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State would be Vienna Austria not in Australia but we have the same phenomena here as well, the public and the TV are less interested in Art than in sports. I once had to find sponsors for an Artproject and was told by a large international corporation that they were forbidden to sponsor art events and art and that they were only allowed to sponsor sportevents. The funny thing is that Austria mostly lives from it's Habsburg past and it's cultural heritage but the money goes to sports mostly to football (very bad team) not even Ski (good team). And I fully agree with your sentiment that the public has to see the real thing and get a sense of history. In fact until 1945 Austria was one of the leading countries in developing photographic technology and art but the public either doesn't know or doesn't care about it. Show Ansel Adams and people will flock to the exhibition show Rudolf Koppitz and nobody will come.

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That's really surprising, Dominik. I was in Vienna back in the 1970s and I was stunned by the magnificence of the art on public display (as well as the magnificence of the cakes!). Sad that it's slid so far. It was one of the truly sophisticated and civilized cities of the world.
 

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There still is a lot of culture in Vienna just not many viennese visitors. We have a lot of Galleries a few specialising in photography like Johannes Farber. But for example the ex head of the photography department of the Albertina left the institution because she felt that photography was underappreciated and they have one of the best photography collections in the world. The Wien Museum often has photo exhibtions, the dilemma in Austria isn't the lack of cultural institutions (with few exceptions) but the lack of interest from the Austrian public which equals lack of interest from companies (including Broadcast) and lack of founding by the state. Most museum visitors are trourists. There's a joke in Austria People visit the museum 3 times in their life the first time on Christmas Eve with their Grandmother (taking care of the children while their parents prepare the gifts) the second time with school and the third time as Grandparents. A single football games has between 4 000 and 25 000 spectators, there are a quiet a few museums and galleries that don't reach that number over the course of whole year. You still can get magnificent cakes at Demel and the Hotel Imperial.

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Ha! Come to Australia where a single football game can attract 100,000 people. That said, the 'statistics' say that more people attend 'the Arts' than sport, but that includes attending cinemas and libraries. Maybe we need to a new definition- the challenging arts, perhaps.

John.
 

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The NSW Sate Art Gallery in Sydney has regular exhibitions - the Tracey Moffat one which was a travelling show - and earlier there was a retrospective of Jeff Carter's work which was very well done. Also saw an exhibition of significant Sydney buildings a while back. Only problem was they ran out of the accompanying books for the Jeff Carter exhibition and the publisher (to whom the Carters sold the rights some time ago) seems totally disinterested in another print run, nor will they allow the family to reclaim the rights and do a private printing. There are a lot of us with our names on a waiting list!
Then we have the Australian Photographic Centre in Paddington which puts on regular exhibitions of current photographic work, and courses courses, and the National Gallery in Canberra which seems to mount a couple of exhibitions each year.
So maybe it is a Sth Aus thing?
 

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We had our monthly film-nerds meeting in Adelaide last night, at which the matter of exhibitions came up. Quite apart from the fact that several of our regulars do an exhibition or three each year, there are apparently some excellent exhibitions on at the moment, including Bill Henson.

There seems to be a distinct "arts community" that is quite separate from and invisible to the general community. Plenty of interesting stuff happens but it's a closed incestuous little world with no exposure to the broader population who'd rather just go see the footy or (if they consider themselves photographers) shoot models. Plenty of interesting stuff is on, you just need to know the right people and venues.
 
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