It's free and you get what you pay for.
It's free and you get what you pay for.Some of the hallmarks and apt criticisms of fanboy digital photo forums, such as those now based in Seattle, are tendencies toward putting others down, one-upsmanship, and the lack of civility and patience by posters, both OP and responses.
That seems to be happening more frequently here and in other large format forums. It's making large format forums unpleasant, even to bystanders. No wonder there's a lack of manufacturer and non-in-group participation.
Large format photography is becoming increasingly popular with a new generation of photographers seeking a thoughtful alternative to digital imaging, but while they're interested, there's much to learn, large format information is largely scattered, too-often unreliable subjective opinion, and generally hard to find with any reliability.
In the absence of clear information in one place, it's difficult, expensive, and uncertain for anyone, let alone a beginner, to put together an optimized large format outfit and use it effectively. That's why people turn to this forum for advice, hopefully objective, useful advice..
Might I suggest that more understanding, kindness and patience is needed? Also, some keep trying to one-up others or putting them down. Might I also suggest that some tact and humility are needed?
Let's keep these forums an appropriate and pleasant way to exchange opinions and learn from each other about areas where comprehensive, objective information about our craft and our gear are becoming muddied with the passage of time.
The increasing amount of people on ignore list is worrying me.
What we need is a strict moderation against any personal attacks or comments. I was told "there are old grumpy men here, don't mind about them" but that is not an excuse anymore.
Moderators: PLEASE do something before you have trashpile in front of you. I have seen this road before. @Sean
Hopefully after the election we will return to world peace!
Might I suggest that more understanding, kindness and patience is needed?
And fun.Agreed. This should be a place of sharing caring and learning.
And fun.
!!Yes! Gotta be fun!
Is this where we show photos of our new aquisitions? My new Morse film processor. Now let's see if we are patient
Well said David! Things are quite tense in every web venue I visit (sign of the times?). I will reply in full when I get home from work. Let's see if we can get on a path to tackle these concerns. Keep in mind we can have upwards of 500 posts in a day or more if things get really busy. Also, it's far easier to see the bad apples than all the great posts. More soon... Thanks for bringing this up.A lot of people are on edge right now, because of the pandemic, the economy, political divisions in the U.S. and around the world, and that comes out in these forums, just as it does everywhere else.
I’d recommend in general that people think a little more than usual about how their posts will be taken.
Avoid snarky remarks.
Back off on the ironic posts, which are a challenge to do well even in the best of times.
Try to be helpful to everyone, but to new members of the community especially.
Absolutely no political side jabs.
And if someone has a surprisingly strong reaction to something you posted without any negative intention, think about what may be going on in their lives that may have contributed to that response.
Remember also that the moderators are volunteers. We all have day jobs. We’re also spread out around the globe, so your report may not be looked at until someone is awake and actively checking into the forum. Fortunately, most people are able to self-moderate, but if folks can avoid antagonizing each other, we have more time to deal with the spam and scams that are coming in every day.
No, you are not, and yes, the moderation is excellent!!Am I the only one here who doesn't see lack of courtesy and respect as a problem here?...
Doremus
P.S: I'd like to add that I find the moderation here most excellent. David's comments directly above exemplify this.
I never saw your post. But from what I can read from others, apparently I said something that upset you. I apologize for that. That was not my intent. I was trying to be lighthearted and ironic. It's easy to take stuff that goes on here too seriously. We shouldn't do that, in my opinion. It's often hard to get comfort in forums, hence the point of my post.I deleted my earlier reply in case I may have misunderstood the intent of Alan's comment. I don't want to further incivility myself.
I never saw your post. But from what I can read from others, apparently I said something that upset you. I apologize for that. That was not my intent. I was trying to be lighthearted and ironic. It's easy to take stuff that goes on here too seriously. We shouldn't do that, in my opinion. It's often hard to get comfort in forums, hence the point of my post.
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Being reasonably familiar with Alan's posts, I am confident his post was made in gest.
If I may suggest back to the OP, even a not well effected attempt at humour is best responded to with civility and patience.
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I agree entirely with the OP sentiments but I saw Alan's post as genuinely funny and an attempt to direct a "home truth" about forums to all forum members via gentle humour.
I never saw the OP's response but have read other's comments. And I apologized for my post as I didn't want to create any discomfort for the OP. And I also agree with you that my post was done with irony and humour, taking a shot at forums in general and what you can expect from them. Certainly it was not aimed at anyone in particular especially the OP.The same may be said of other humorous comments. I took them all to indicate that the occasional review of what can go wrong on a forum is helpful
Maybe it is part of the British "mother-in-law" humour syndrome or even the pentaxuser humour syndrome
Yes there is a problem when one man's humour is another man's insult but it is usually clear which it is meant to be.
The other way to resolve the problem is to make it a rule that humour or whimsy will not be tolerated and replies that do not state facts about a thread or state more than facts will be deleted and next time the member will be barred form Photrio.
In some ways this might actually get the thread's originator to a problem's cause or a useful answer quicker but I fear most members would leave more quickly than is currently the case when a member feels he/she is being deliberately badly treated. The forum could become the equivalent of what I think is called "Alexa". My son and his family have one in the house. Alexa is not great when it comes to discourse.
Besides I have my own "Alexa" at home. She tells me things as well. "I'll tell you something" she says emphatically and then I occasionally get both barrels
pentaxuser
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