Want to Buy Wanted: omega 4x5 carrier for 110 film

StoneNYC · Oct 26, 2014

So for some fun I've been shooting some 110 film, the only thing is all of the school enlargers are 4 x 5, and they don't have any 110 carriers, yes I could make a mask for a 35mm, but it would be much easier for me to actually just use the carrier made for this format, does anyone have one they aren't using?

They look like this just in case there are different versions it when I'm looking for looks like this...

MattKing · Oct 26, 2014

Stone:

Good luck with your search. If necessary, you can use a 110 carrier for a Beseler 45.

I wouldn't count on finding one for your Saltzmann enlarger though .

StoneNYC · Oct 26, 2014

MattKing said:
Stone:

Good luck with your search. If necessary, you can use a 110 carrier for a Beseler 45.

I wouldn't count on finding one for your Saltzmann enlarger though .

Beseler only works if you have the "universal" version which I don't...

And, the 8x10 takes any size, it has a glass carrier, and special blades that actually go all the way down to 110 AND even 16mm movie format, it's a pretty awesome enlarger, but until that's set up, I need one of these for school.

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Renato Tonelli · Oct 27, 2014

I am pretty sure I have one - I will take a look in the storage bin(s). PM me later in the day as a reminder please...

mgb74 · Oct 27, 2014

And if you're searching for one, note that it might be described as "16mm".

I do have one but not sure if I want to part with it. If Renato comes up empty, let me know.

Ken Nadvornick · Oct 27, 2014

Dang it Stone. You need to anticipate this stuff a year or more in advance. I had a nice one. Just like your picture. It came in a bigger lot of other darkroom items. But I passed it on for free to someone else as I've never used that format.

See what comes of listening to others who tell you not to be a packrat?

Ken

StoneNYC · Oct 28, 2014

mgb74 said:
And if you're searching for one, note that it might be described as "16mm".

I do have one but not sure if I want to part with it. If Renato comes up empty, let me know.

There's one at school that is for the Beseler enlargers that says 16mm but it's much smaller than 110, I believe because it says 16mm it's meant for movie stock, which might have been shot vertical instead of horizontal on the film? I'm not sure but either way it was too small.

StoneNYC · Oct 28, 2014

Ken Nadvornick said:
Dang it Stone. You need to anticipate this stuff a year or more in advance. I had a nice one. Just like your picture. It came in a bigger lot of other darkroom items. But I passed it on for free to someone else as I've never used that format.

See what comes of listening to others who tell you not to be a packrat?

Ken

That's ok Ken, thanks.

bsdunek · Oct 28, 2014

What lens will you be using? I got a 25mm lens for my Durst 606 so I could enlarge 110 film, but it won't get close enough to the film to focus, even with the deep lensboard. Does the Omega 4X5 have a way to do this?

StoneNYC · Oct 28, 2014

bsdunek said:
What lens will you be using? I got a 25mm lens for my Durst 606 so I could enlarge 110 film, but it won't get close enough to the film to focus, even with the deep lensboard. Does the Omega 4X5 have a way to do this?

I hadn't thought of the lens, I had assumed a 50mm would be fine, the Omega D enlargers have long necks so I think for 8x10 they should be fine.

ic-racer · Oct 28, 2014

The film needs to be held as flat as when it was in the camera. You may even recall the first Minox with the film-lens contact. I have both the 16mm and Minox size Omega carriers but they don't hold the film flat enough for enlargements over 3". The best way to enlarge these tiny negatives is in the glass carrier with a mask around the negative as seen in the picture. I use a number of lenses from 25mm to 40mm. Shown is the 25mm in a recessed board and Minox film mask over the Omega glass carrier. My 30mm Rokkor is nice because its flange-focal length is much longer than 30mm, so the whole lens barrel fits up in the enlarger bellows when mounted on a flat plate.

StoneNYC · Oct 28, 2014

ic-racer said:
The film needs to be held as flat as when it was in the camera. You may even recall the first Minox with the film-lens contact. I have both the 16mm and Minox size Omega carriers but they don't hold the film flat enough for enlargements over 3". The best way to enlarge these tiny negatives is in the glass carrier with a mask around the negative as seen in the picture. I use a number of lenses from 25mm to 40mm. Shown is the 25mm in a recessed board and Minox film mask over the Omega glass carrier. My 30mm Rokkor is nice because its flange-focal length is much longer than 30mm, so the whole lens barrel fits up in the enlarger bellows when mounted on a flat plate.
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Thanks, the lomography film is completely flat and I'm not worried about the curl, thanks for your advice but I'm still looking for one of these carriers for an Omega 4x5.

mgb74 · Oct 28, 2014

StoneNYC said:
There's one at school that is for the Beseler enlargers that says 16mm but it's much smaller than 110, I believe because it says 16mm it's meant for movie stock, which might have been shot vertical instead of horizontal on the film? I'm not sure but either way it was too small.

The 16mm I was thinking of was for the 16mm still format popular in 50s and 60s. Minolta, Mamiya, Yashica and others all made the small 16mm cameras.

Renato Tonelli · Oct 28, 2014

Found it - PM'd you.

MattKing · Oct 28, 2014

StoneNYC said:
I hadn't thought of the lens, I had assumed a 50mm would be fine, the Omega D enlargers have long necks so I think for 8x10 they should be fine.

Remember that enlarger magnification increases as the bellows contracts - shorter focal length and/or bellows = greater magnification.

Some 50mm lenses don't even work on many Omega 4x5 enlargers unless you use a recessed lensboard, because the bellows have limits on how much you can compress them.

An 8x10 is a fairly large enlargement from 110 - about 16X.

So if you are using a 50mm lens, you will need to use it at the same height as you would to do a 16" x 24" enlargement from 135 film.

A shorter lens would work better, and a retrofocus design would work better still.

StoneNYC · Oct 28, 2014

MattKing said:
Remember that enlarger magnification increases as the bellows contracts - shorter focal length and/or bellows = greater magnification.

Some 50mm lenses don't even work on many Omega 4x5 enlargers unless you use a recessed lensboard, because the bellows have limits on how much you can compress them.

An 8x10 is a fairly large enlargement from 110 - about 16X.

So if you are using a 50mm lens, you will need to use it at the same height as you would to do a 16" x 24" enlargement from 135 film.

A shorter lens would work better, and a retrofocus design would work better still.

I'll see if the school has a smaller lens, but physically it's do-able on the 4x5, there's one enlarger with a much longer neck than the rest and it can do 20x24.

The others can do 16x20 which I know because I just printed one today

AgX · Oct 28, 2014

StoneNYC said:
There's one at school that is for the Beseler enlargers that says 16mm but it's much smaller than 110, I believe because it says 16mm it's meant for movie stock, which might have been shot vertical instead of horizontal on the film? I'm not sure but either way it was too small.

Obviously it is not refering to 16mm wide film as cine- or type 110-film, but to that cine frame itself, which is much smaller than the pocket format.

MattKing · Oct 28, 2014

StoneNYC said:
I'll see if the school has a smaller lens, but physically it's do-able on the 4x5, there's one enlarger with a much longer neck than the rest and it can do 20x24.

The others can do 16x20 which I know because I just printed one today

For small formats, you need a shorter bellows, not a longer one.

To get higher magnifications, you need to get your lens closer to the negative, not farther away.

You also need to get the lens farther away from the paper.

StoneNYC · Oct 28, 2014

MattKing said:
For small formats, you need a shorter bellows, not a longer one.

To get higher magnifications, you need to get your lens closer to the negative, not farther away.

You also need to get the lens farther away from the paper.

I get it, if anything I can at least make some 5x7's

The point is I'll make some prints, I'm excited, get excited!! a gentleman has offered a holder to me, so although I don't have a specialized enlarging lens, I'll give the 50mm a try.

StoneNYC · Oct 28, 2014

Should I make a "Wanted: 25mm enlarging lens"?

ic-racer · Oct 28, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Thanks, the lomography film is completely flat and I'm not worried about the curl, thanks for your advice but I'm still looking for one of these carriers for an Omega 4x5.

Not curl, it needs to be thousands of an inch flat and perpendicular to the lens to enlarge it anything over 3" The depth of focus at the negative is almost nothing for 20X enlargements. The small focal length lenses can only be stopped down one or at most 2 stops.

Bill Burk · Oct 29, 2014

The 50mm will work for the smaller prints.

Don't ask for the shorter lens until you get the recessed mount! I use a 28mm f/4 Rodagon for 110 and Minox enlargements. But I never got a recessed mount. I had to craft something from a tuna can. Stuck a couple nuts to the side with J-B Weld.

StoneNYC · Oct 29, 2014

Bill Burk said:
The 50mm will work for the smaller prints.

Don't ask for the shorter lens until you get the recessed mount! I use a 28mm f/4 Rodagon for 110 and Minox enlargements. But I never got a recessed mount. I had to craft something from a tuna can. Stuck a couple nuts to the side with J-B Weld.

There's a pile of recessed and top hat mounts for enlargers in the departmwnr heads office, he just gave me a quick change plate for the 80mm EL-Nikkor I wanted to use that was mine because the schools was crap. Thanks, I'll check and see what they have tomorrow.

MattKing · Oct 29, 2014

StoneNYC said:
I get it, if anything I can at least make some 5x7's

The point is I'll make some prints, I'm excited, get excited!! a gentleman has offered a holder to me, so although I don't have a specialized enlarging lens, I'll give the 50mm a try.

The excitement is the most important ingredient!

I just wanted to make sure that it didn't get derailed by frustration.

If you have a choice of 50mm lenses, it might help to be aware that some project back farther into the bellows than others, and therefore wouldn't be the best to use.

And if you normally use the masking attachment with the enlarger, it helps if you take it out.

Have fun!

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