Want to try d96 on my 400' 5222 kodak

Radost · Jun 22, 2023

I am about to buy 400’ of 5222 XX Kodak. I have been getting some great results with XTOL 1:1 but some of the flash pictures have highlights really overexposed compared to the rest of the image. I was hoping the flash will be best case scenario considering it is a film for strict calculated lighting scenes.
I want to try d96 but dont want to pay cinestill prices.
Is the recespy still the one bellow and where can i get Elon developing agent ?
D96 Recipe

Water, about 50°C (125°F) 750 mL

KODAK ELON Developing Agent 1.5 g

KODAK Sodium Sulfite (Anhydrous) 75.0 g

KODAK Hydroquinone 1.5 g

KODAK Potassium Bromide (Anhydrous)0.4 g or Sodium Bromide 0.35 g

KODAK Borax (Decahydrated) 4.5 g

Water to make 1.00 L

pH at 25°C (77.0°F) 8.62 ÷ 0.05

Specific Gravity at 25°C (77.0°F) 1.069 ÷ 0.003

koraks · Jun 22, 2023

Elon = metol.

Michel Hardy-Vallée · Jun 22, 2023

For the reference to the formula:

https://www.kodak.com/content/products-brochures/Film/Processing-KODAK-Motion-Picture-Films-Module-15.pdf

I've done some tests with Double-X and D-96 from scratch, and I found the results were better than D-76:

Some quick thoughts on Double-X 5222 v. Tri-X

Agreed, and especially fans of Tri-X from before its most recent reformulation. I was going to say that; Double-X has a bit of that old-timey grain I know from 1970s photos.

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lamerko · Jun 22, 2023

Hi,
this film goes great with the D-96. Even though it runs with low contrast, the results are great at the recommended EI. If you want a little more contrast, you can slightly increase the amount of hydroquinone.
About mixing. My recommendation is to start from a low temperature - 25-30°С. Do not start with Metol (Elon), start with a small amount of sodium sulfite - about 5-10 g. After it is completely dissolved, add Metol and stir until it is completely dissolved. After that, the temperature can be raised to about 40°С, continuing in the order indicated (the total amount of sulfite should be 75 g).
A magnetic stirrer will be very useful

Radost · Jun 27, 2023

Anybody know if electronic scales from lets say amazon are good? Any recommendations?

Radost · Jun 27, 2023

lamerko said:
Hi,
this film goes great with the D-96. Even though it runs with low contrast, the results are great at the recommended EI. If you want a little more contrast, you can slightly increase the amount of hydroquinone.
About mixing. My recommendation is to start from a low temperature - 25-30°С. Do not start with Metol (Elon), start with a small amount of sodium sulfite - about 5-10 g. After it is completely dissolved, add Metol and stir until it is completely dissolved. After that, the temperature can be raised to about 40°С, continuing in the order indicated (the total amount of sulfite should be 75 g).
A magnetic stirrer will be very useful

Kodak recommends 50C temp

koraks · Jun 28, 2023

Radost said:
Anybody know if electronic scales from lets say amazon are good? Any recommendations?

Yes, they're OK. Pick any you like. They're pretty much all the same if you open them up; there are a few variants in terms of max weight and precision (the two correlate of course). I personally mostly use one that goes up to 50g with 0.001g increments. I don't know what its real resolution is, but at least, measurements appear to be remarkably repeatable.

lamerko · Jun 28, 2023

Radost said:
Anybody know if electronic scales from lets say amazon are good? Any recommendations?

I have two scales - one with a resolution of 0.001g for a maximum load of 50g, and the other with a resolution of 0.01g for a load of up to 3000g. I use the former to accurately measure chemicals from formulas requiring small quantities, where any error results in a large deviation. I use the second scale where larger quantities are required. Its base is large and comfortable. With the small balance, if I have to weigh, for example, 100 g of sodium carbonate and the beaker only picks up about 5 g - that's 20 weighings. Inconvenient.
My small scale has a calibration option - taken from Aliexpress, the big scale which also with calibration option - from eBay.

Radost said:
Kodak recommends 50C temp

Yes, they recommend a high temperature for easier dissolution, but that would also cause the developing agents to oxidize. I think so, I could be wrong. For the same reason, I start with a small amount of sodium sulfite in an attempt to protect the metol.

koraks · Jun 28, 2023

lamerko said:
that would also cause the developing agents to oxidize.

The degree of oxidization of compounds like metol and hydroquinone during the brief period that the solution is warm, and the modest temperature to begin with, is insignificant, especially in the presence of sulfite. It's not a concern. Btw, the sulfite allegedly helps to make the metol easier to dissolve; it's a little harder to get it to dissolve in pure water for some reason. Even without this protection, there won't be any significant degradation of the metol as it's being dissolved in 50C water.

lamerko said:
My small scale has a calibration option - taken from Aliexpress,

I think that's probably the same scale that I use but with a newer housing and display. The specifications and button arrangement are the same; I have a feeling if we opened both of ours up, they would be identical.

Radost · Jun 28, 2023

I got an used OHAUS Dual 0 Gram from OFFER UP and its off by a lot…
Dude deactivated his account.
$18 down the drain.

Michel Hardy-Vallée · Jun 28, 2023

Radost said:
Anybody know if electronic scales from lets say amazon are good? Any recommendations?

They're decent enough for photographic purposes. I've mixed many a solution from scratch using them, and my results have been consistent. They're probably all the same core components from the same factory that are repackaged by various brands.

Radost · Jun 29, 2023

Anobody uses D96 1:1 at higher temperatures?
How does it compare to stock.
Also is Jobo agitation requires 10-15% less time?

Radost · Jun 30, 2023

Are any of the chemicals in D96 concerning as far as mixing it for inhale skin and eyes? Kodak advices against mixing the chems powder because of toxic fumes. Also they advise to ”Add and dissolve the chemicals in the order given.

Radost · Jun 30, 2023

lamerko said:
Yes, they recommend a high temperature for easier dissolution, but that would also cause the developing agents to oxidize. I think so, I could be wrong. For the same reason, I start with a small amount of sodium sulfite in an attempt to protect the metol.

Kodak wants us to “Add and dissolve the chemicals in the order given”
Can anybody else elaborate?
Man I wish PE was still alive. RIP!

Radost · Jun 30, 2023

koraks said:
The degree of oxidization of compounds like metol and hydroquinone during the brief period that the solution is warm, and the modest temperature to begin with, is insignificant, especially in the presence of sulfite. It's not a concern. Btw, the sulfite allegedly helps to make the metol easier to dissolve; it's a little harder to get it to dissolve in pure water for some reason. Even without this protection, there won't be any significant degradation of the metol as it's being dissolved in 50C water.

Do you advice to start with the sulfate as well or just go by Kodak‘s recommendation?

koraks · Jun 30, 2023

Radost said:
Are any of the chemicals in D96 concerning as far as mixing it for inhale skin and eyes?

Inhale: all of them are a concern. Don't inhale dust, and pretty much all of what you've got there will be irritating. Not necessarily dangerous, except for the metol and especially the hydroquinone.

Eyes; same story.

Skin contact: opinions vary on this, but it's good practice to avoid skin contact with the developing agents at least. Because of the risk of self-contamination (fingers touching other spots of the body including mucous membranes), the risks go beyond contact dermatitis.

How strictly you choose to adhere such admonitions is up to you. People vary wildly in how seriously the take this.

Radost said:
Do you advice to start with the sulfate as well or just go by Kodak‘s recommendation?

There's no sulfate in there.
The initial pinch of sulfite will be OK. I never found it necessary. Mixing order in that particular formula isn't critical, unless you're going to mix in the metol and then wait a day before finishing the thing.

Radost · Jun 30, 2023

koraks said:
Inhale: all of them are a concern. Don't inhale dust, and pretty much all of what you've got there will be irritating. Not necessarily dangerous, except for the metol and especially the hydroquinone.

Eyes; same story.

Skin contact: opinions vary on this, but it's good practice to avoid skin contact with the developing agents at least. Because of the risk of self-contamination (fingers touching other spots of the body including mucous membranes), the risks go beyond contact dermatitis.

How strictly you choose to adhere such admonitions is up to you. People vary wildly in how seriously the take this.

There's no sulfate in there.
The initial pinch of sulfite will be OK. I never found it necessary. Mixing order in that particular formula isn't critical, unless you're going to mix in the metol and then wait a day before finishing the thing.

Thank You so much. What do you mean “there is no sulfate in there? The formula calls for Sodium Sulfite (Anhydrous) second ingredient///

lamerko · Jun 30, 2023

Sulfite and sulfate are two different things - they should not be confused!

Radost · Jun 30, 2023

lamerko said:
Sulfite and sulfate are two different things - they should not be confused!

Ups. Good to know.

Radost · Jul 4, 2023

What kind of development reduction i need for Jobo? Ball park

koraks · Jul 4, 2023

I'd start with manual inversion times minus 10-15%. Take it from there.

Radost · Jul 5, 2023

I read a lot about D76 and and as much as I found about D96.
Most people recommend full stock mixed fresh
I could not find a lot of information about 1:1…
Anybody uses one shot 1:1?
With Xtol 1:1 get a lot more definition then Xtol Stock.
Wondering if Metol-hydroquinone developers acts in a similar way...

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