Walmart Medium Format *Fake* Price List

[StoneNYC]

Who in this thread is "trying to transform Wal-Mart?" Wal-Mart is what it is. Even if any one of use wanted to "transform" the largest retailer in the world I don't think even collectively we have the knowledge nor resources to accomplish such a task.



Did you run a pro lab or speak to the owner of a pro lab recently? My local pro shop owner told me a very different story. He points the finger directly at digital. He never mentioned Walmart. As far as I know send out services of all kinds have existed my entire lifetime. For most of their existence they coexisted quite happily with pro labs. I frankly use both. If a pro uses Walmart for their film developing they deserve to go out of business. That would be insane. I can't imagine anyone that values their professional reputation doing that.



I've never seen anyone on this forum make such a claim. Please post a link to the source of this claim so we can get in on that deal. The cheapest I've found is $4.88 (plus tax) for 220 roll of E-6. Sadly I can no longer obtain 220 rolls of E-6 at reasonable prices so the best I can muster at the moment is $4.88 (plus tax) roll for 120 E-6.

Well here's one example... I am still looking for the one I found that said .88 cents but he literally posted his receipt image so it wasn't even made up .... but here's another one that's close... (EDIT at sams club) last post...

http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00ZofQ

Oh here... this APUG guy said .84 cents...

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Who knows... its certainly not my walmart.... lol

 

[philosli]

Well here's one example... I am still looking for the one I found that said .88 cents but he literally posted his receipt image so it wasn't even made up .... but here's another one that's close... (EDIT at sams club) last post...

http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00ZofQ

Oh here... this APUG guy said .84 cents...

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Who knows... its certainly not my walmart.... lol

I believe $0.84 is for one roll of C-41 120 films. One roll of E6 120 films is $4.88.

 

[Truzi]

So, the company that helped shut down the pro labs is now charging more than the pro labs that no longer exist? I feel so sorry for you guys.

I'd think they helped shut down the one-hour places, not the pro labs.

However, that is what walmart does. Undercut the competition until it is gone, then raise prices. I beleive they sometimes thin out thier own stores in a region once enough competition is gone - so people then have to travel further.

 

[StoneNYC]

I believe $0.84 is for one roll of C-41 120 films. One roll of E6 120 films is $4.88.

I agree but the title does say E-6 and the poster who mentioned the 84 cents doesn't specify it's anything other than what the OP asked about. But he probably messed up, still, heck it cost me $4:50 for a roll of C-41 in 120 so 84 cents would be a steal... if they actually sent you your film back... lol

 

[removed account4]

fuji and dwaynes told me
120 film they WILL return with the prints
and if you plan on paying the lowest price ...
you have to REFUSE THE PRINTS
because they have no process only service.

 

[philosli]

... if they actually sent you your film back... lol

Yes, they do. I did 120 C-41 through Walmart sendout several times (as late as mid. Feb. this year).

 

[StoneNYC]

Yes, they do. I did 120 C-41 through Walmart sendout several times (as late as mid. Feb. this year).

Ok just going by the label on the send out envelope, freaks me out lol


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[CatLABS]

You Jobo because prices might go up?! Isn't a new Jobo $3,000?!

Getting a used Jobo machine (1000-1500$ with tanks/shipping, sometimes much less), and bulk chemicals, makes it pay for it self after the first 100 rolls or less.
After that, costs are under 1$ for C-41, 1-2$ for E-6 (depending on material) and 0.01-1$ for BW.

The only thing not calculated here, is the time you spend processing your own rolls, but the fun ans fulfillment factors balance that out.

There is no wait, you can have same day service, and not have to pay extra to push or pull your films

 

[brianmquinn]

I do not know about you but I use Dwaynes to develop my Kodak Portra 135 and get a CD with processing. It is ALWAYS good. They only charge $2.99 for the CD and it is higher resolution (2000 x 3000) than most labs give you unless you pay a lot more for the upgrade to high resolution scan.

I have used them to scan slides but I did not think they came out too good. Perhaps it is just the fact I use Kodak Portra that scans better.

A thing I never understood is why labs mostly give out such low resolutions scans on their basic CD. They are most often 1000 x 1500 and the lab calls them 4.5 MP scans. They are 4.5 when open in Photoshop but I would call then 1.5 MP scans. It is nice the Dwaynes gives you the higher resolution scan for a nice low price.

 

[StoneNYC]

I do not know about you but I use Dwaynes to develop my Kodak Portra 135 and get a CD with processing. It is ALWAYS good. They only charge $2.99 for the CD and it is higher resolution (2000 x 3000) than most labs give you unless you pay a lot more for the upgrade to high resolution scan.

I have used them to scan slides but I did not think they came out too good. Perhaps it is just the fact I use Kodak Portra that scans better.

A thing I never understood is why labs mostly give out such low resolutions scans on their basic CD. They are most often 1000 x 1500 and the lab calls them 4.5 MP scans. They are 4.5 when open in Photoshop but I would call then 1.5 MP scans. It is nice the Dwaynes gives you the higher resolution scan for a nice low price.

They must have improved, my only scans from them are Kodachrome and they were a total disservice to that film,

Perhaps the machine they use for C-41 is newer or they've upgraded


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[rawhead]

They must have improved, my only scans from them are Kodachrome and they were a total disservice to that film,

Perhaps the machine they use for C-41 is newer or they've upgraded

I agree... the main reason I started developing & scanning my own film was because I was dissatisfied with the scans of E6 i was getting back from Dwayne's.

 

[brianmquinn]

Just a random shot from my last roll. Right from the CD, no work on my part. Even with all that snow and overcast sky the scan is perfect.
Kodak Portra 400 by Dwanynes

I only had them do one roll of E6 film and did not like the results. I have a Dimage Scan Dual IV but hate to spend my time doing scans. It is so much easier to have the lab do it. For C41 I like the lab results, for E6 I have to put it the time.

 

[Noble]

Well here's one example... I am still looking for the one I found that said .88 cents but he literally posted his receipt image so it wasn't even made up .... but here's another one that's close... (EDIT at sams club) last post...

http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00ZofQ

Oh here... this APUG guy said .84 cents...

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Who knows... its certainly not my walmart.... lol

I checked out your links. I didn't see anyone say 88¢ or 84¢ for E-6 and certainly not at Walmart. The Sam's club thing you are referencing is not a send out service... in my experience. I of course can't canvas all the Sam's Clubs in the country but the few I have checked out either don't develop film or only do 35mm C-41 in house. And none of them did anything for less than a $1. It was more in the $1.50 range for developing only. If your local Sam's Club is competent it actually isn't a bad way to go, but they do NOT do E-6 of any kind at any price... In my experience.

The problem is you misinterpreted what various people across the internet were saying and then made a statement about 88¢ E-6. Now someone else is going to see your post and go on a wild goose chase looking for something that, in my experience, does not exist. What I did once I started really feeling the hurt from rising film prices was google like crazy and then make a list of local places to research on my own. I called all the Targets in my area but they had all gotten out of the photo processing business. Walgreens was to pricy. And eventually I crossed my fingers and dropped a roll of 120 C-41 and E-6 into the Walmart send out bin. Some time later I gave the Sam's Club in store processing a whirl. I don't do much 35mm C-41 so I am not always 100% up to date with changes in that world.

I read about a number of sweet deals from unlikely sources on the internet. I don't think in the places I've lived I've been able to replicate most of them. Most of the time whatever retailer had the deal was not processing film where I lived. You just have to be unconventional and keep looking. There very well may be no deals in your area. But you will never know unless you try. At $5.19 a roll for 120 Provia how much are you risking really? Nothing ventured. Nothing gained.

Ok just going by the label on the send out envelope, freaks me out lol

Normal reaction. I had been using the service for YEARS when the "negatives not returned" label suddently appeared. I won't lie to you. My hand trembled a bit when I dropped the envelope into the kiosk the first time. Everything worked just as before and subsequently others started popping up on the internet saying all was well... or at least the same for everything other than 35mm C-41.

Getting a used Jobo machine (1000-1500$ with tanks/shipping, sometimes much less), and bulk chemicals, makes it pay for it self after the first 100 rolls or less.
After that, costs are under 1$ for C-41, 1-2$ for E-6 (depending on material) and 0.01-1$ for BW.

How? Walmart E-6 for 220 is $4.88 (plus tax). A Jobo would have to cost about $500 and use free chemicals and electricity to pay for itself in 100 rolls. And if you use it for C-41 it would have to cost about $100 dollars... with free chemicals and electricity.

Don't get me wrong. Jobo machines look sweet! I would love to have one if I had the money and the space. There are a few problems though. One is I already do my own B&W so there is no savings for me in that regard. Also my volume of C-41 and E-6 just isn't enough. I'm glad they came out with a new machine. I just don't have the money to support every manufacturer and developer in the industry. I'm already getting 84₵ C-41 and my two rolls a month of E-6 just can't justify such a protracted break even time horizon. Another big problem is I sometimes I like to get my really nice rolls scanned by NCPS. If they don't develop your film they increase the cost of scanning by 50%! The current state of the film market never ceases to amaze me.

 

[StoneNYC]

The problem is you misinterpreted what various people across the internet were saying and then made a statement about 88¢ E-6. Now someone else is going to see your post and go on a wild goose chase looking for something that, in my experience, does not exist....

Literally the first paragraph of the second link mentions c-41 at 84 cents, I must have misread in my search for the post I had seen a while back.

Just because I can't find it doesn't mean it wasn't out there.

Anyway, I pay $4.50 for C-41 120 so $1 for them would B&W awesome regardless.

I hate C-41 but that price is hard to pass up.




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[Noble]

I hate C-41 but that price is hard to pass up.

Yeah, I'm not crazy. If it was only a $1 or even a $2 difference there is no way I would soil my shoes by walking into Walmart. But in these economic times I just can't justify routinely paying over five tiimes the price for developing 120/220 C-41. On special occasions absolutely, but at this point something has to give. I was shooting Fuji Acros for less than $3 a roll last year. Now it's gotten so expensive I decided to support the domestic film manufacturer and have switched exclusively to Kodak at $4.08 a roll. And it turns out that was some kind of short lived special at my usual source. I will pay more and support the local guy but when things get extreme I've got to quit running a charity.

 

[philosli]

Anyway, I pay $4.50 for C-41 120 so $1 for them would B&W awesome regardless.

Anyway, $4.50 for C-41 120 is not bad either, in particular if Walmart/Fuji sendout service does hike the price.

So where do you get the price? Thanks!

 

[StoneNYC]

Anyway, $4.50 for C-41 120 is not bad either, in particular if Walmart/Fuji sendout service does hike the price.

So where do you get the price? Thanks!

I tried Walmart and the Rite-Aid across the street, both are Fuji envelopes and both go to Dwayne's and both are the same price :/

What bugs me is the color chemistry for C-41 and E-6 (home kits) seem to be relatively similar, so why is E-6 so much more :/

And the perception that $4 is cheap per roll is silly to me because I develop B&W at home and pay 26¢ per roll for that... Yea 26 CENTS for a developer that is a one shot.

Color chemistry should not be that much more expensive ...

If I used color as one shot it would be $18 a roll... But it's reusable, so I get $1.80/roll if I only do 20 rolls, I can probably do 30 safely with a 1 liter batch. AND I use the cheap Artista stuff not the more expensive Tentenal

My point is the chemistry involved can't cost that much more to mix up than the B&W stuff, they just made color more expensive back in the day because it was new and never adjusted the prices once it became common.

That's opinion by the way, the last part. But I can't imagine that the chemicals cost so much more to produce.


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[rawhead]

Getting a used Jobo machine (1000-1500$ with tanks/shipping, sometimes much less), and bulk chemicals, makes it pay for it self after the first 100 rolls or less.
After that, costs are under 1$ for C-41, 1-2$ for E-6 (depending on material) and 0.01-1$ for BW.

The only thing not calculated here, is the time you spend processing your own rolls, but the fun ans fulfillment factors balance that out.

There is no wait, you can have same day service, and not have to pay extra to push or pull your films

Well, CatLABS answered it all for me :LOL:

I Jobo because even *before* these possible price increases, it was by far the cheapest way to develop E6 (which is what I shoot 80% of the time).

In fact I was given boxes of E6 chemicals (replenishers, starters, etc.) from a lab up in New Hampshire that went digital a couple years ago for FREE. So ever since them, my per roll developing costs for E6 has been right around $0. I know, not a typical scenario, but still.

Also, I think the biggest reward is not having to wait for the film to return. That was really the most painful thing about shipping film off to Dwayne's... the 2-week or so turnaround

 

[StoneNYC]

Well, CatLABS answered it all for me :LOL:

I Jobo because even *before* these possible price increases, it was by far the cheapest way to develop E6 (which is what I shoot 80% of the time).

In fact I was given boxes of E6 chemicals (replenishers, starters, etc.) from a lab up in New Hampshire that went digital a couple years ago for FREE. So ever since them, my per roll developing costs for E6 has been right around $0. I know, not a typical scenario, but still.

Also, I think the biggest reward is not having to wait for the film to return. That was really the most painful thing about shipping film off to Dwayne's... the 2-week or so turnaround

I've never seen any of those machines how big are they and is the $1,000 new or used price?

How often do you process? Do you sometimes do just one roll or save up till you have a certain number of rolls. I'm completely new to any kind of home machine so "speak" slowly... Lol


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[rawhead]

I've never seen any of those machines how big are they and is the $1,000 new or used price?

How often do you process? Do you sometimes do just one roll or save up till you have a certain number of rolls. I'm completely new to any kind of home machine so "speak" slowly... Lol

The bigger ones are pretty big, but the CPP2 I use can be placed on my kitchen counter:

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1,000 will get you a CPP2 in good condition if you can shop around. And yes sometimes I'll do just one roll using 240ml of chemicals, but since I can reliably develop 4 rolls of 120 with that much chemicals, I usually save up. Which never takes too long for me

 

[DLawson]

I've never seen any of those machines how big are they and is the $1,000 new or used price?

I have a CPE2, which I believe to be the same size as a CPP2. It is about the same size as two toaster ovens set end to end.

Oh, whatever, there is a tape measure on the bookcase. It is roughly 26"x12" and the main body is 8" tall, the lift end gets to 17".

I got mine as a "do you want that too" in a craig's list buy. Also got a drymount press. It was a happy dance day.

 

[StoneNYC]

Cool thanks guys, hmmm, something to think about, sadly I don't have any space and already get grief about my two boxes with chemistry and tanks on the basement


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[CatLABS]

I have a CPE2, which I believe to be the same size as a CPP2.

The CPE2 is about half the size of the CPP2.

We have an informational article about the different Jobo processors here:
http://www.catlabs.info/how-to-choose-the-right-jobo-processor

You can get in at way under a 1000$ including everything you need, and chemistry to last a LONG time and MANY rolls.

Another great thing about Jobo (or all home processing) is that you can ran as little as one roll with no waste of chemistry, or run 10 rolls at once to save time.

Champion chemistry (C-41 only at this time), though sold in bulk only, has a cost of under 50 cents per roll when used as one shot, and will do more as a replenished system.

C-41 chemistry is historically cheaper then E-6, mostly because of the historical demand and market share, though the price difference used to be fairly small or un-noticeable, once pro photographers stopped shooting film (most shot E-6) that marker shrank much faster then the less pro oriented market of C-41 negatives, causing a larger price discrepancy.

 

[StoneNYC]

The CPE2 is about half the size of the CPP2.

We have an informational article about the different Jobo processors here:
http://www.catlabs.info/how-to-choose-the-right-jobo-processor

You can get in at way under a 1000$ including everything you need, and chemistry to last a LONG time and MANY rolls.

Another great thing about Jobo (or all home processing) is that you can ran as little as one roll with no waste of chemistry, or run 10 rolls at once to save time.

Champion chemistry (C-41 only at this time), though sold in bulk only, has a cost of under 50 cents per roll when used as one shot, and will do more as a replenished system.

C-41 chemistry is historically cheaper then E-6, mostly because of the historical demand and market share, though the price difference used to be fairly small or un-noticeable, once pro photographers stopped shooting film (most shot E-6) that marker shrank much faster then the less pro oriented market of C-41 negatives, causing a larger price discrepancy.

Oh that makes sense.

Well right now I have $30 in my bank account living paycheck to paycheck (hoping my check comes Monday and not Thursday) so even "under $1000" seems like a lot but I recognize how cheap that is. Man, I'm drooling at your price calculations. Wish I had the scratch or something I don't want I could trade for...


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[wblynch]

Don't need no Jobo. Hot water in the sink basin and a plastic tank will do just fine.