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The one thing that concerns me with View Camera, is I keep seeing more and more information on Digital imaging, which we all know is out there and being used, but I don't care to read about it in the traditional type magazines I look at, for the most part, I flip through the magazines at B&N or in the check out line at the Grocery store, then put it back, the pricing now a days is high and the quanity of articles that pertain to my type of shooting are very low, I comment Steve on the heavy stock and a magazine that could be kept on a shelf, but the quality of content is just not what I am interested in to much, I fully understand needing to get advertisments, but not what I want to see..

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Satinsnow said:
The one thing that concerns me with View Camera, is I keep seeing more and more information on Digital imaging, which we all know is out there and being used, but I don't care to read about it in the traditional type magazines I look at

In fairness to Steve, it is "View Camera" and not "Sheet Film" magazine.

I don't buy it very often either, mainly because the info I get here and on the LF site is so good and so much more timely that the magazine is really superfluous.
 

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DeanC said:
In fairness to Steve, it is "View Camera" and not "Sheet Film" magazine.

I don't buy it very often either, mainly because the info I get here and on the LF site is so good and so much more timely that the magazine is really superfluous.

I agree Dean, I guess I am from the old school, when I think "View Camera" my brain automatically thinks sheet film, but as I said, I am old school,, for an ever changing time, Steve does a pretty good job, and even in good times, making a magazine go, is tough, I have nothing against his magazine, it just happens to carry less and less information I want to read..

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Satinsnow said:
I agree Dean, I guess I am from the old school, when I think "View Camera" my brain automatically thinks sheet film, but as I said, I am old school,, for an ever changing time, Steve does a pretty good job, and even in good times, making a magazine go, is tough, I have nothing against his magazine, it just happens to carry less and less information I want to read..

Agreed. 100%
 

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Satinsnow said:
The one thing that concerns me with View Camera, is I keep seeing more and more information on Digital imaging, which we all know is out there and being used, but I don't care to read about it in the traditional type magazines...

Dave

Dave,

What follows are my personal opinions and observations. I am speaking for myself and not the publisher of View Camera magazine.

I know this is APUG and the use of the "d-word" is frowned upon around here, however, keep in mind View Camera is a magazine dedicated to large format photography - not necessarily analog photography. The magazine has always covered digital technology as it applies to large format photography. This is not a new trend. There were articles a decade or so ago about Iris Prints from Nash Editions, the early Evercolor process, etc. I'd have to dig through my back issues to see exactly when the first "digital" article appeared in View Camera, but I would not be surprised to learn it was back in the early 1990s, well before the first digital point and shoots and DSLRs. There have been in the past (again going back several years) issues of the magazine featuring the latest in digital products and methods. Again, this is not a recent trend. View Camera needs to appeal to a broad audience and not just cater to one specific sub-niche of the large format market. That's why you see articles and portolios featuring the work of landscape, portrait and architectural photographers in the magazine. It's also why you see articles (and ads) covering both traditional materials and methods as well as digital products. While the publisher of View Camera clearly supports traditional film-based photography, I do not recall the magazine ever publishing any kind of "analog only" policy like others have done (and then retracted).

That said, rest assured that many of those who contribute to View Camera continue to shoot with film (including yours truly) and will continue to write articles about "traditional" photography for years to come. You will also continue to see protfolios of people who mix traditional and digital. In fact, most (but not all) color LF shooters I know continue to shoot with film, but use digital somewhere in the post capture workflow. Products like the Betterlight scanning back used by Jim Collum are designed to work with any existing 4x5 camera and standard large format lenses. So, while it may fall outside of the scope of APUG, it is well within the realm of topics that View Camera has covered in the past (not just recently).

Many people seem to think of digital vs. traditional photography as an either/or proposition. I really believe there is a place for both and they can co-exist for many, many years to come. There is no question that digital photography has created a huge "buzz" in the consumer market over the last couple years. Many people view that as a negative. I, however, think that anything that stirs an interest in photography is a good thing and all these rumors of the death of film are laughable. Yes, manufacturers do discontinue products, but they have been doing so for well over a century. It's pretty hard to blame the demise of Super XX and countless other excellent "traditional" products on digital when they were discontinued prior to the so-called digital revolution.

I'm an optimist. When one door closes, another opens. With the recent bulk purchases from Ilford and Kodak, combined with all the film and paper products coming out of Eastern Europe there are more choices in film in more formats than I can remember at anytime in the past. Film isn't dead, it's reborn - in spite of the rise of digital. An occasional article or an ad here or there isn't going to change that. As long as people buy the products, somebody will make them. Some will disappear, but others will pop up to replace them. Some short-sighted executives will discontinue profitable products to enter new markets that will cost the company millions, if not billions of dollars all in the name of "growth potential". They will get what they deserve as others step up to the plate to fill the void, and reap the profits, they leave behind. And yes, some people will abandon film for digital. And some companies will make money selling products to these people. And other companies will make money catering to those who practice traditional film-based photography. It's the way of the world.

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Kerry,

No argument at all, I was expressing my opinion only, you don't have to convince me that the roots are strong and we are still getting the products we require and want, I don't think that with the way Steve runs his magazine, that film is dead, and I don' think there is any digital Vs. Traditional point of view, I use, and have used digital means to publish my traditional products for many years now, I was not bashing Steve at all, as a person who used to own a publishing company, I may be a bit more criticle of the magazine business, but in ALL magazines, I keep seeing a re-hash of everything I have read for the last 25 years, that is all, I hope Steve continues to be successful, so again, don't take it wrong, I just don't find to many interesting things in magazines now a days, that is all..no positive, no negative, pretty middle of the road after making a living in this business for many years..

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Dave,

No problem. Not specifically targeted at you, but one thing that never seems to get mentioned when we talk about discontinued products are magazines. We've lost a lot of good magazines (and a few bad ones, too) over the years. I think it's important to support ALL those who provide goods and services targeted at our little niche of the photographic world. We're all in this together.

Kerry
 

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thanks for the feedback! appreciated.

if this repsonse is in violation of the no-digital rule.. pls let me know.. i'll remove this post.

For the Platinum/pigment images that i did with the panoramic images, then the Betterlight pano adapater was indeed overkill. The largest platinum/pig print i do is 23" wide (current limitation is the NuArc UV light source)... and if that were all i printed, then i wouldn't have hauled it around (the pano platform itself felt heavier than the entire rest of the Betterlight setup).

But I also make traditional color prints (digital and analog). The largest pano i did was 9000x34000. This pretty much exceeds what i could have done with any other color film based camera. I would love to shoot with a 8x20 and color negative film (i'd love to just own the camera. .even if to have it sit in my home and look at it)... but i haven't seen color in that size. The image I took was in very low light (equivalent of ISO 2000), and much cleaner than most 400-800 ISO DSLR cameras (noise). It captures about 13 stops, which gives it the tonality closer to C41 negative film than to chrome.

I'm pretty much in favor of whatever technology gets me my image. I haul around the Betterlight, but also haul around film with me at the same time.. using whatever i need to in the moment. If i have a religion about it, i'd say it's the final image that really matters to me. (ok.. maybe view cameras as well.. i suspect even if i could get the equivalent of an 8x10 sheet of film on a 35mm sized sensor, you still couldn't get me away from the ground glass of a view camera).

if anything, i'd like to see some advances in lens design.. right now ,the lens is the limiting factor for the Betterlight, and for film (I think someone said 150lpmm for Velvia.. which is good.. except you won't get more than 70-80 from lenses being used in LF.)

jim




mark said:
Yes he did, but this whole digital BS thing, panoramics were shot with film and not stitched together. I fully believe he could have accomplished what he did without the computer gear in the field.
 
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