Velvia 100 Discontinued in the U.S.

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Until you need to get it processed.

then you will need a lawyer for sure. The notice says you can't "process" the chemical, unless you are making military Hydraulic fluid. or other items. BUT can you process an "Article" that contains the chemical? if you run a roll through E6 does the tiny fraction of a gram of the chemical stay in place? does it dissolve and enter the water, (a No NO) or is it changed into something else, (like perhaps part of the dye that is created)

Note that an "article" is an extra special word in these sort of rules.
 

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the darkroom.com posted yesterday on Instagram that they plan to continue processing the film. I don't know how long that will last. It may the that the amounts released aren't enough to bother the EPA.
 

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As everything I've read indicates that PIP (3:1) is being used in this case as a plasticizer, the chances of it being released into the water supply during processing should be exceedingly slim.
 
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Just talked with my lab, the owner said he’ll still take it, but honestly Velvia 100 is less than 5% of what he sees.

even said this whole situation is ridiculous
Which films are processed the most by him? That would be interesting to know.
 

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just developed 15 rolls of slide film today. 1 was a 220 roll of velvia 100. should I feel guilty? i dont, but it is what it is......

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FYI, I checked with a local lab here (Photoworks, San Francisco) and they said they will still be able to process Velvia 100 after this US ban goes into effect. I have yet to see a statement from any lab that they will not continue to process this film. Does anybody have any firm information to the contrary (not just personal interpretations of the EPA language, or unattributed assertions from blogs or press)?
 
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I think Fuji USA (whoever processes film returned in PP mailers) may be stopping. I doubt that the USEPA will be running around checking labs :outlaw:
The question is whether the lab wants to take on the legal exposure of handling a banned product? Beside clients, they have to deal with their own staff who may not want to handle it or could sue their employer.
 

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The question is whether the lab wants to take on the legal exposure of handling a banned product? Beside clients, they have to deal with their own staff who may not want to handle it or could sue their employer.
I've got enough Fuji E6 chemistry in my utility room to float a battleship (Iowa Class). EPA is going to have to get through my extensive security (mine fields) to get my Velvia 100 away from me!! Besides it's a moot point. The bad stuff already exists. It's here in my refrigerator. I can use my Velvia 100, or through it in the trash. Either way it's still in the environment.

And I suspect FILM wasn't the target of this regulation, it just was caught up in the frenzy to save the world. Kinda like when RoHS banned lead in the solder for electronics. That's when the XPAN II, Pentax 67II and a lot more stuff disappeared because it wasn't feasible to "get the lead out"

Wrap your Velvia 100 in a 10 dollar bill and send it to me. :D:ninja::outlaw::whistling:
 

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I’ve been thinking… wouldn’t other stocks which also could have banned chemicals still be illegal to process? Yet labs would seemingly take them without issue
I think it was the 3rd edition of The Darkroom Cookbook before the mercury, chromium and uranium stuff was deleted.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

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Actually, I just ordered 5 35mm rolls of Velvia 100 yesterday. I very much doubt labs are going to refuse to process it. Yes, Fuji’s discontinued it in the U.S., but I’ve now read enough statements from labs to convince me the rest was just internet panic. Besides, I like being rebellious :D
 
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EPA is ridiculously understaffed when it comes to monitoring. An issue this minor would be like dialing 911 and expecting a fire truck to show up to help you catch a cat flea in the house. They're more interested in the recyclable metal thief who wrenched a brass valve from a 50,000 gal container of toluene, and it all went into the Bay. But he'll probably cancer out from the incident anyway, if he isn't already dead.
 
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After indicating earlier in the summer that they would continue to accept Velvia 100 for processing, The Darkroom (one major film processor in the USA) announced last month on Instagram that they would not: - I just didn't notice until now.

I have about 40 rolls of 120 Velvia 100 in the freezer which I would normally shoot over the course of the next 2-3 years. (It's a film I reserve only for specialized occasions where I need the extra contrast, slight magenta cast, superior reciprocity, or better color separation in dim light, of this film compared to Velvia 50 which I otherwise shoot much more of.) So if The Darkroom's take on this has become the trend, I am concerned. Any thoughts? I know its only been a few days after the September 6 deadline, so maybe wait and see what labs actually do, regardless of what they said earlier this summer when the news first came out? One thing I know, is that I don't want to develop it myself; I've done it before and I've got no talent for chemistry experiments :smile:
 

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What they write on the internet and what they are doing and what the really do if you are in the shop, as a consumer they know for long time, might slightly differ :smile: The amount of the forbidden chemical is so low, no one will ever measure it. Especially if they mix it with C41 and/or BW chemicals.
 
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What they write on the internet and what they are doing and what the really do if you are in the shop, as a consumer they know for long time, might slightly differ :smile: The amount of the forbidden chemical is so low, no one will ever measure it. Especially if they mix it with C41 and/or BW chemicals.
The problem is the lab opens itself up to lawsuits by the government and even their employees, especially a hostile one, who could sue because they're being forced to work in an unsafe environment. Trying to prove to a jury that there's only a little poison on the film and there's nothing to worry about, will keep the lab's owners up at night with worry. No company wants that aggravation and expense.
 
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What's going to be interesting is how the companys handle film that's not identified in the shipping package when they receive it for development. When they open the film box in the darkroom (ie 4x5 sheet film) and feel the ID markers on the edge, they'll have to reject those Velvia 100 sheets before developing and return them to the sender.
 
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