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phfitz said:Hi there,
Sorry I can not read all these posts, late for work. I did click the links but the news story is no longer there. I think everyone missed 1 point; the cop asked for I.D. and her SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER???
I would not be suing over the 4th amendment, this is racial profiling isn't it? Why else would a cop ask for a S.S. card?
Just a thought.
phfitz said:It does not matter who they are or what they look like, there is no legitimate reason for a police officer to ever ask for a SSN, no professional police officer I have ever met would be that stupid. It can only be taken as 'racial profiling', illegal aliens do not have SSNs. It sound like this practice is S.O.P. for that P.D. which would make for a really large lawsuit.
phfitz said:asking for both I.D. *&* SSN=
trolling for illegal aliens=
racial profiling=
abuse of public office=
lawsuit=
U.S. Supreme Court
WarEaglemtn said:Even if she sues the cops... this is Utah.
Bush approval rating is 62% here. Nationally is is 31%.
Those in authority are presumed to be right, from the Mormon Church President to the lowliest 'leader' while performing their duties, jobs or church callings. Here you can't really separate Church and State.
The prevailing attitude is simple. She was doing 'something wrong' or she wouldn't have been questioned. She was doing 'something wrong' or she would not have tried to hide who she is.
The cop was putting himself 'on the line' for the safety of us all.
Welcome to Utah.
Aggie said:It happens in other states as well. What was it two years ago we had the story of the kid in Seattle going through this same thing?
Another wrong guy who was arrested in Seattle. :rolleyes:Aggie said:No Alex, it was the kid who was taking pictures of the Ballard Locks for a college photography assignment. It is in the archieves here at apug somewhere.
Aggie said:As to the claim of her losing her job, again we do not know if this was part of it, or was she one that had been causing trouble prior to this. Seeing as how she has had other problems, the company may have been fed up with it all, or it may have been something completely unrelated to these incidents. We don't know. We are only hearing her claims, and not the rebuttal. Yes I did read the inital article.
phfitz said:Hi there,
I have to agree with Aggie, no one knows half of 1 side of this story let alone the whole of both sides. Both were idiots but the cop acting in the offical capacity of an 'officer of the court' completely changes the complexion of his actions.
Let's watch and see.
Tanya said:Hi,
She's only suing the cops, has yet to find out legal rights w/ FBI/DHS getting her fired.
Only so much energy, what should she do?? Should she just sue everyone who has wronged her in both instances? Would it be for the betterment of all?
Aggie said:No Alex, it was the kid who was taking pictures of the Ballard Locks for a college photography assignment. It is in the archieves here at apug somewhere.
Please explain why Utah is especially prone to this. I'd like to know what i'm in for as I start shooting more and more LF.Tanya said:you would not believe that this happens all the time in the US (esp. Utah and other states).
Tanya said:What could not ring true? The arrest, by police, happened last Nov.4, 2004, The papers had already been filed by the time she was interrogated by the 6 FBI & DHS agents.
Tanya said:The same attorney doesn't and can't often take on the same cases.
Tanya said:Plus, they got her fired, yes, by calling and SHOWING UP at the main East Coast offices.
Tanya said:But, though slander and lies are obvious on their part, there is no legal........let's say, "recorded" evidence that can be presented in court.
Tanya said:Bottom line, yes the papers only tell less than half the story- if you knew what REALLY happened in ,both cases, you would be really pissed.
Tanya said:Unless, of course you just like to ACT and that's why you would not believe that this happens all the time in the US (esp. Utah and other states).
bjorke said:Aggie, you did not read too carefully. The incident at the federal building was what happened when the photographer from the Weekly attempted to photograph Tanya to cover her story. She was posing with her camera in the photograph for that incident (and there were no arrests).
More generally, just because something is "common practice" does not make it right. Abuse of public authority is very typical and sure sounds like what has occured here.
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