Unknown roll of 127

I recently received a Kodak Holiday Flash camera as a gift and when I opened it up there was still a roll of film in it, I was excited. My curiosity sparked an instant conscious decision was made that I would develop it myself. I watched a friend do it in his kitchen sink and thought, dang it's gotten a lot easier (that was five years ago). I haven't developed film since high school which was back in 1995. Doing some google searches and talking to a couple of friends I was confident that I could do this.. then it got complicated.

So many conflicting answers of what works and what doesn't, which process is better and which process is consistent. Turns out, a lot of people use the directions on the bottle as a guide then build their own process that works for them, fair enough. "Go check out Massive Dev, all your answers are on that site" Uff da! More internet searches, more back and forth answers. After a lot of reading, I ended up getting HC-110, Ilford Ilfostop, Ilford Rapid Fixer and a JOBO 1520. So I'm ready to rock, right? Hell no! Turns out, I have no idea what this little gem of a roll is! I know I know, seems a bit dumb.. yep, I'm a "nube" or is it "noob" anyway. Tons more of internet searches and I stumbled upon this: http://westfordcomp.com/foundfilm/yeates/yeates.htm That's it, that's my roll of film. But, even with this new found knowledge I'm not confident at all about trying to develop this and I really don't want to mess this up! I was hoping that one of you might be able to recognize this roll type and lead me into the right direction?

*I should note that I did cut off a strip in a darkbag and tried my hand at developing this and my result was a very dark piece of film. I'm not sure if it was already exposed, or if I messed up the development process.

hi shannon

welcome to apug !

a week or 2 ago someone found film in a camera or something like that
this is his post
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

he was given a bunch of answers.
my suggestion for you would be get the film on a film reel and in a tank.
do you have access to photo chemicals ?

read the thread i linked to and see if you can find those chemicals. dektol is pretty well knows as a print developer,
if you develop in that, it will be short and sweet and you will get nice contrast on your film. i regularly proces expired
( maybe not as expired as yours ! ) film in that and it comes out fine. i would also suggest you go to
http://www.caffenol-cookbook.com. and look at some of the coffee developer recipes. caffenol is a foolproof developer, works great too, and if you can gain access to the 3 components, it might be an easy solution
( 3 componants are cheap instant coffee, dried out baking soda ( also known as washing soda/ sodium carbonate )
and powdered vitamin c.

i've been using coffee developer for 10 years and i add a shake of print developer to it to boost it a little.

have fun with your camera and film

good luck !
john

Welcome to APUG.

Seeing as you have HC-110, I think in this instance I would do a stand development. How long, probably an hour or two, with gentle inversions at every 30 minutes. Found film is VERY hit or miss, but it's a ton of fun when it's a hit! Because of the (unknown) age of the film, any listed times will most likely result in failure. I have successfully developed film exposed in the '30's and '40's, and produced images (some great, some not so great).

Good luck!

id go with the hc110.

check this out?

http://www.vintag.es/2012/10/1961-sears-camera-catalog.html

Awesome find paul ron! I love that stuff!

You could do as the label says and take it to Sears - it could be a fun experience.

Have you tried this website?
http://foundfilm.livejournal.com/16982.html

Truzi said:

You could do as the label says and take it to Sears - it could be a fun experience.

Have you tried this website?
http://foundfilm.livejournal.com/16982.html

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I laughed! Thank you, I will check this out.

paul ron said:

id go with the hc110.

check this out?

http://www.vintag.es/2012/10/1961-sears-camera-catalog.html

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This is a cool site, thank you for posting it

Kirks518 said:

Welcome to APUG.

Seeing as you have HC-110, I think in this instance I would do a stand development. How long, probably an hour or two, with gentle inversions at every 30 minutes. Found film is VERY hit or miss, but it's a ton of fun when it's a hit! Because of the (unknown) age of the film, any listed times will most likely result in failure. I have successfully developed film exposed in the '30's and '40's, and produced images (some great, some not so great).

Good luck!

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Thank you for the luck and replying! Honestly I didn't even consider (or know for that matter) about stand development. I'm going to read up on it, it sounds promising in this situation! That's amazing finding film that old and STILL able to develop. Do you have any of these images online anywhere?

jnanian said:

hi shannon

welcome to apug !

a week or 2 ago someone found film in a camera or something like that
this is his post
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

he was given a bunch of answers.
my suggestion for you would be get the film on a film reel and in a tank.
do you have access to photo chemicals ?

read the thread i linked to and see if you can find those chemicals. dektol is pretty well knows as a print developer,
if you develop in that, it will be short and sweet and you will get nice contrast on your film. i regularly proces expired
( maybe not as expired as yours ! ) film in that and it comes out fine. i would also suggest you go to
http://www.caffenol-cookbook.com. and look at some of the coffee developer recipes. caffenol is a foolproof developer, works great too, and if you can gain access to the 3 components, it might be an easy solution
( 3 componants are cheap instant coffee, dried out baking soda ( also known as washing soda/ sodium carbonate )
and powdered vitamin c.

i've been using coffee developer for 10 years and i add a shake of print developer to it to boost it a little.

have fun with your camera and film

good luck !
john

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Thank you for replying and thanks for the welcome! What an interesting process, I've never heard of it but sounds cool to try. I'll also check out the first link you posted and see what I come across.

Found film is always a treasure. People have acquired old cameras with pictures from wars n events that are historic. You may be sitting on a piece of history or some family's tree of lost relatives.

A camera is a time machine!

Shannon L Reiswig said:

Do you have any of these images online anywhere?

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I think they're somewhere here on APUG, but I couldn't find them, so here's a couple.

C. 1940's?


Car is a 1957 Plymouth Belvedere, so these were shot in the late '50's, early 60's. The darker band along the bottom was due to me not using enough developer because of the size (127)

If this is a 127 film as your research suggests then a 1520 tank and reel will only develop 35mm or 120. There is no adjustment for 127 film on the reel. At least there is no adjustment I can find on my reel for 127.

You can buy a Paterson or other tanks that will take a 127 reel or develop in open trays by a see-saw action in total darkness or extract the film from the backing paper in darkness, cut off a piece from the end, put the rest of the film in a lightproof container then cut away the reel stops so you can move the two halves of the reel to fit the piece of the 127 film then tape them together. This will work. I have done it but it ruins the reel for future use as a 35mm or 120 reel

pentaxuser

Kirks518 said:

I think they're somewhere here on APUG, but I couldn't find them, so here's a couple.

C. 1940's?
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Car is a 1957 Plymouth Belvedere, so these were shot in the late '50's, early 60's. The darker band along the bottom was due to me not using enough developer because of the size (127)

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Oh man, those are so cool!

pentaxuser said:

If this is a 127 film as your research suggests then a 1520 tank and reel will only develop 35mm or 120. There is no adjustment for 127 film on the reel. At least there is no adjustment I can find on my reel for 127.

You can buy a Paterson or other tanks that will take a 127 reel or develop in open trays by a see-saw action in total darkness or extract the film from the backing paper in darkness, cut off a piece from the end, put the rest of the film in a lightproof container then cut away the reel stops so you can move the two halves of the reel to fit the piece of the 127 film then tape them together. This will work. I have done it but it ruins the reel for future use as a 35mm or 120 reel

pentaxuser

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You're right, the reel does not have a designated adjustment but I was thinking I could still wind it around the reel in the unlocked position. The piece I cut off seemed to fit the first time around. Granted I know it's not the most ideal situation but I probably won't come across another roll of 127 anytime soon and can't justify the cost.

paul ron said:

Found film is always a treasure. People have acquired old cameras with pictures from wars n events that are historic. You may be sitting on a piece of history or some family's tree of lost relatives.

A camera is a time machine!

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I couldn't agree more, so exciting!

UPDATE!
I finally got a chance to develop the mystery 127 roll. Here's what they look like: https://www.flickr.com/photos/reiswigphotography/albums/72157666608903941

Very cool, thank you for posting the follow up!

Are you going to keep working with 127 or move to more readily available formats? ReraPan is supposedly good stuff, although I have not tried it in any of my 127 format cameras yet.

Great results Shannon! When I find film in old cameras I always do Semi-Stand development in Rodial 1-100 for one hour. You can develop anything that way, even Kodachrome.

They look great! I'd guess 1962? How far from Minot are you? It would be really cool if you could find the family and get the negs to them. You may contact a local TV station, that's sometimes a good 'human interest' story on slow news days.

So what developing method and time you end up using?

More like circa 1966, the car looks to be a Dodge of some sort from 1966;



http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/1966-Dodge-Polara-Pictures-c17436

paul ron said:

check this out?

http://www.vintag.es/2012/10/1961-sears-camera-catalog.html

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Nice to see that - it made my day!

Fixcinater said:

Very cool, thank you for posting the follow up!

Are you going to keep working with 127 or move to more readily available formats? ReraPan is supposedly good stuff, although I have not tried it in any of my 127 format cameras yet.

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It would be kind of cool to keep up with 127, I would have to learn how to cut it down. I haven't quite committed to one format yet I don't think.

Theo Sulphate said:

Nice to see that - it made my day!

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Awesome!

BAC1967 said:

Great results Shannon! When I find film in old cameras I always do Semi-Stand development in Rodial 1-100 for one hour. You can develop anything that way, even Kodachrome.

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That's good to know. So with Semi-Stand, how long is that process in the Rodial?