I recently just developed a batch of film (66 rolls). All the rolls are from my European trip taken last summer, the film was either bought just before (in Japan) or during the trip (mostly in Italy or Prague). All 120 film was shot on my Mamiya 6 (and a couple rolls with my Holga). Of those rolls recently developed, 26 were HP5+. Of those, at least half show this problem. I've noticed four possibilities:
1. The edge markings are even and do not touch the image area. (4219, 4222)
2. The edge markings are uneven in parts, but do not touch the edge of the image area, although for some it just touches the area. The uneven part is usually the batch code number, the "Ilford HP5 Plus" remains even. (4219, 4276, 4222)
3. The edge markings are uneven in parts, and sometimes just touch the edge of the image area, or slightly go over (again, usually the number). It only affects one or two images on the roll. (4238, 4134, 4219, 4276, 4222)
4. The edge markings are uneven, either whole or in part, and some of the markings (both number and text) go into the image area. Sometimes the entire text* is within the image area. (4219, 4256, 4276*)
As you can see, some batch numbers fall into more than one category, and by this I mean that over the entire roll it exhibits only these characteristics. I'm going to go through each roll and do a more thorough analysis and accounting, but this is what I've noticed so far.
@BrianShaw and everyone else who thinks this is a camera issue, look closely at this you will see the ilford printing is flush with the bottom on the left image and raised going into the image on the right negative. There is no way for this to happen in camera or during developing. This happened at ilford when the film markings were exposed on the film.
I have shot many, many rolls of film with this camera and many others, I know how the image should be on the film and that isn't an issue, yes it sits a little low on the film with this camera... that is not the issue at hand.
Have you notified Ilford of your findings? AgX speaks of your hints to Ilford but these are only effective if someone from Ilford is keeping a watch on APUG for "things Ilford" I am not convinced this is the case
pentaxuser
This tells me that Yoda was based on someone from Germany.Anyway, better hints as (there was a url link here which no longer exists) has just given, Harman cannot expect from their customers.
MartinP said:There was a character named Yoda in an old childrens' film ...
Star Wars character: http://www.starwars.com/news/the-starwars-com-10-best-yoda-quotes?????
I would love to join the laughing, but have no idea who or what Yoda is.
Hi all,
For info, we do recognise this a being a very occasional problem. The roll film signing registration on our 120 spoolers is a via a manual stencil arrangement (unlike the electronic programmable stenciling on the 135 line). Since these particular films were produced we have introduced a change to both the registration process for the stencils and reduced the font size of the text.
There is clearly also a good deal of variation between various cameras and the position and size of the visible frame area, hopefully the recent changes will now cope with all scenario's.
We will of course respond to the users email separately.
Neil
Thank you for the report.I heard from Harmon on Thursday,(...)
And as promised, I had an email from Harmon in my inbox early this morning (...)
I've always read on APUG about Ilford/Harmon's great customer service and attention to the film community, and I'm happy to say that it's continued post-buyout here.
I rather read this as: "We knew, but did not not bother."
Well, to a certain extent that may be reasoned if the signing and the position of the gate at the camera are within tolerances.
But as seen here customers were unsatisfied.
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