I did buy someof the prvious Ultrafine Extreme, and the 120 seemed to be on a thicker base, Like that of 35mm film. the picture of the new supply seems to have totaly new Box Graphics.
Ultrafine Xtreme 100 & 400 to be back in stock in 2025
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MattKing
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Kentmere is a brand name owned by Harman Technology.
Harman make film with the intention that it be branded and sold as a Kentmere labelled film.
Harman has, in the past, also made the same film with different badging for other entities. We generally refer to that as a rebranded film.
Harman also makes other films for other entities for rebranding.
Harman also does contract finishing/confectioning of film for third parties, where that film has been manufactured in bulk by others.
Ultrafine has never manufactured or finished/confectioned any film themselves. All the Ultrafine film is manufactured in bulk by one entity, and in many cases finished/confectioned by others. It appears that Harman has done a lot of that for Ultrafine, but so have others, and some of the Ultrafine products seem to change over time with respect to who is supplying them to Ultrafine.
All of which is to say that past experience with any Ultrafine branded film does not necessarily tell you who is supplying them and exactly what film is bearing the Ultrafine brand.
Harman make film with the intention that it be branded and sold as a Kentmere labelled film.
Harman has, in the past, also made the same film with different badging for other entities. We generally refer to that as a rebranded film.
Harman also makes other films for other entities for rebranding.
Harman also does contract finishing/confectioning of film for third parties, where that film has been manufactured in bulk by others.
Ultrafine has never manufactured or finished/confectioned any film themselves. All the Ultrafine film is manufactured in bulk by one entity, and in many cases finished/confectioned by others. It appears that Harman has done a lot of that for Ultrafine, but so have others, and some of the Ultrafine products seem to change over time with respect to who is supplying them to Ultrafine.
All of which is to say that past experience with any Ultrafine branded film does not necessarily tell you who is supplying them and exactly what film is bearing the Ultrafine brand.
Regarding the topic of low price for good quality - Scala 50 in 35mm is being sold at B&H for $6.49 on recently expired and $7.49 otherwise. It works great as a negative in 1+25 Rodinal semi-stand 10 minutes 22C with a gentle turn at 5 minutes. It can also do infrared at a speed of 6. Resolves somewhere around 250 lp/mm. Not overly contrasty. I would personally pass up any budget-conscious 100 speed film in favor of this one if price/quality ratio was the only factor.
I did shoot with Kentmere quite a lot before giving up on this film: lack of contrast, curly film and a base not as transparent as I'd like. My humble opinion.
And personally, Foma films are quite interesting and most probably comparable to Ilford's.
I find Foma to be quite good, the ISO is a bit high, emphases speed at the expense of shadows, and there are a number of threads concerning poorer quality control than ILford or Kodak. I have not had any issues, but I dont like the curl of Foma 120 films but use a bit of 35mm and 2 1/4 X 3 1/4 and 4X5 in both 100 and 400. I have a some 35mm Ultrafine Ex. in 35mm and will buy some 120. Ultrafine, Kentmere and ILford Pan might the same emlusion or so close that in practice shoot the same. For travel I shoot Tmax 400 and 100 in 120 and 34mm but Foma 400 sheet film.
I did enjoy using Ultrafine Xtrem 100 & 400 (most probably Ilford product). Incidentally I found a 100 feet roll of 400 ISO Extrem in my fridge, from a previous batch before the one promoted on the net since January.
We appear not to know yet despite "tomorrow" in Paul's post being Jan 15th?
pentaxuser
Interesting...I just hung up some Kentmere 100 (120) up to dry and it was so flat it didn't need a weight. OTOH, I stopped shooting any speed Foma in 120 because it is so horribly curly. I got frustrated trying to slide the stuff into printfile sleves. So we've obviously had very different experiences of Kentmere and Foma.
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I haven't had Kentmere films curl up on me. However, my Kodak Gold 200 negatives were a different story. It had taken a while before most of the curl was out of the film. My printfile sleeves were bending so much into a "C" that they could have stood upright, lol. That film was somewhat fiddly to get on a reel.
Once I had Tri-X go slightly wavy after drying but that was on account of a humidity issue.
For some strange reason I have this craving for curly fries.
Once I had Tri-X go slightly wavy after drying but that was on account of a humidity issue.
For some strange reason I have this craving for curly fries.
The Kentmere base is still not so transparent.
Concerning the flatness of the film, I ALWAYS had my Fomapan film flat. But it might be a matter of age: more the film is outdated more it gets curly. My theory.
And again, Kentmere films has a real lack of contrast. I did get through the same commentaries on the net.
Yours.
a trick is to roll up the film inserted in a Print file support. You do so against the curly side. 2 days of this treatment and it works.
As I said in another post, Kentmere doesn't appeal to me, if only its base was more transparent and its contrast stronger. IMHO.
I generaly find it about the Same as the base on HP5+
Only if you disrespect its shadow speed and overexpose it.
always shot at box speed
did realize I wasn't that wrong since I found other users having the same remarks regarding the contrast.
Not listed. which I thought it is illegal not list county of manufacture. But comparing it with Kentmere it seems to be the same film or so close that you need a densitometer to determine the difference. My local shop is selling ILford Pan 400, I bought a roll and will shoot it, times seem to match Kentmere and Ultrafine as well. I could not find a data sheet for pan 100 and 400, not sure if they have an anti halogen layer or not
IlFord PAN 100 and 400 are only sold in "Special Markets", the last time I found a data sheet from them was on a Russian Web Site. (although the web search did turn up one version on Archive dot org )
Datasheet is VERY hard to search for as the logical search terms are rather generic...
the copy I have references the number 260521 and dates back to May 2021
My local shop Tempe Camera has both in stock. It is the only shop in my area that I have seen it. Tempe Camera sells a lot of film to Arizona State University students as ASU still offers analog photography classes which is required for the photography degree in the Arts department. I bought on roll of Pan 400 which is sitting in my bag ready to shoot sometime in the next few weeks, Last time I saw here in the states was during the collapse of the film market, Freestyle sold it at rock bottom prices.
MattKing
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125px.com has a pdf of a version from 2002: http://125px.com/docs/unsorted/ilford/ilford_pan100_400.pdf
I kind of believe the Arista EDU 400 is a rebranded Fomapan film stock. Not bad at all.
I am sure they do also. They launched "Arista EDU" which was made by FORTE, and by the time they were ready for the next batch, Forte had shut down. SO the Arista EDU Ultra name indicated the NEXT stock. It is generally assumed to be Fomapan. And foma Did change the base used on the 120 version over the years.
I feel sorry for Freestyle, for a while they were having to change sources almost every batch of film/
I don't think there is any doubt that Arista EDU--100, 200, and 400--is rebadged Fomapan. I have boxes in my freezer that I use interchangably.
Take a look at this one Freestyle's site:
The last line--Made in the Czech Republic--make it definite, since Foma is the only coating line in that country. (there are not that may film coating operations in the world.)
what convinced me was a fomapan data sheet that under "identification" said that the fomapan film was marked on the edge either "Fomapan" or "Ultra" And I am sure that one of the rolls of Fomapan I developed did say ULTRA on the edge print
agreed
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