Then just drop the word "trivia" if you think it is inappropriate and replace it with the word information.
Then just drop the word "trivia" if you think it is inappropriate and replace it with the word information.What do you mean when you say "trivia"
I guess this description is totally inappropriate.
I am talking about that period we consider (the golden age of the prosperity of visual culture in the Middle East region)
- This is an important period, ORWO contributed to the formation of the conscience and culture of several generations of Middle Eastern people.
"Trivia" as in many details, large and small, about a historical market in what was - for many of us - an exotic and mysterious place.What do you mean when you say "trivia"
Then just drop the word "trivia" if you think it is inappropriate and replace it with the word information.
- And those Soviet, Chinese and Czech films were shown in cinemas on the sidelines of western films (before or after the American film) .. and it was almost for free.
May God bless you - Thank you for this wonderful illustration."Trivia" as in many details, large and small, about a historical market in what was - for many of us - an exotic and mysterious place.
The sort of thing that gives context and a sense of a different world than the one we are accustomed to.
None of which is either practical for us or directly relevant to our every day life.
But it is still extremely interesting.
You're absolutely right .The difference was that you could watch both, eastern and western, movies, we only the western ones.
(Czech children movies aside.)
No Problem.Please excuse me, English is not my first language, so I cannot understand (between the lines),
God bless you my dear brother ,,
This is an example of the movie (ORWO) produced in 1966 in Egypt. It was developed and printed by the Egyptian studios laboratories of the Egyptian government at that time, with great regret, these laboratories are offered for sale after they were rented out for 10 years.
- Yes, maybe the quality of acidification was not great, but I visited these factories two months ago in order to obtain (some of the chemicals offered for sale) - I was told that the laboratories were resident by a technical chemist seconded from (ORWO) and was living in Egypt Almost permanently in order to supervise the mixing of chemicals used to process films, this chemical technician has always been opposed to the government's lack of interest in providing modern devices that contribute to accurate chemistry preparation.
- On the whole, the Egyptian government was meanwhile concerned with matters of war, etc., and the issue of spending on modernizing and developing cinema production plants was not among its priorities. These laboratories were (black and white) and turned into color factories thanks to the efforts of their workers only.
God bless you my dear brother .No Problem.
I was very interested in everything you have to say. I know nothing about your part of the world.
I think we are privileged ( lucky, fortunate ) to have you here as a member.!
Agfachrome CT-18 (same as ORWO 18) and later 50 S used E-3 process (I developed one film, my opinion was : never again !).
Wikipedia : In der DDR wurde während der Teilung Deutschlands ein sehr ähnlicher Film von ORWO – einem ehemaligen Agfa-Werk – als Orwochrom UT 18 (Umkehrfilm Tageslicht 18° DIN) bis zu den 1990er Jahren hergestellt. ORWO hielt in der Verarbeitungsvorschrift 9165 einen kompatiblen Entwicklungsprozess fest.-) Agfachrome CT-18 was not the same as Orwochrome UT-18. (There was no "Orwo 18" either.)
Sorry I meant AP-41...-) Agfa never employed E-3
I didn't use the wrong process, but the process was too complicated and long (6 bathes + second exposure + temp accuracy) for an amateur, that's why I never did it again. Now I use the E-6 process which far more simple.-) If you develop a film in the wrong process, for bad outcome it is you to blame, not the film.
In the Middle East, Near East, and Arab world - Agfa was number one, not two, at the level of the average citizen)
Yes, I totally agree with you.Not only in Egypt. Our american fellows vastly overestimate the Kodak market share for some countries.
In West-Germany for instance the Kodak share was a small fraction of that of Agfa.
At world-average again the situatio was vice-versa.
Makes sense in the light of East Germany's enduring efforts to expand its global influence, in which it specifically targeted Arab countries with some success after the 6-day war. Undoubtedly industrial relations between the GDR and Egypt piggybacked on the military and strategic relationship between the countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Egypt paid very attractive prices for ORWO products back then.Yes, I totally agree with you.
Even at the government level - (ORWO) was everywhere,
Makes sense in the light of East Germany's enduring efforts to expand its global influence, in which it specifically targeted Arab countries with some success after the 6-day war. Undoubtedly industrial relations between the GDR and Egypt piggybacked on the military and strategic relationship between the countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Egypt paid very attractive prices for ORWO products back then.
Yes, there was that aspect. And in the Arab world there even was political likeness. But of utmost importance was the currency factor. By offering good deals on their industrial products the GDR could source raw stock without spending scarce foreign currency. See it as big barter deals. Such sort of trading goes back in Germany to the mid-30s.Makes sense in the light of East Germany's enduring efforts to expand its global influence, in which it specifically targeted Arab countries with some success after the 6-day war.
The quality associated with the fair price was the first criterion in that era, and not just the price, as you think.Yes, there was that aspect. And in the Arab world there even was political likeness. But of utmost importance was the currency factor. By offering good deals on their industrial products the GDR could source raw stock without spending scarce foreign currency. See it as big barter deals. Such sort of trading goes back in Germany to the mid-30s.
That "pastel" Agfachrome was a later E6 product line and NOT the older Agfa 50 in question, which was very high contrast, just like I already described. The look of the prints is highly "pointillistic" if significantly enlarged, almost like old high speed Scotchchrome, and indeed Autochrome in terms of spottish detail rendition (not hue repro), almost as if the dyes were side by side interspersed rather than overlapping. That's probably what allowed this film to pick up certain exotic hues that later chrome films couldn't. I've printed enough of it that I don't think I need to be lectured what it does or doesn't look like. You are probably confusing this with later Agfachromes which were quite similar to other E6 films of the era except for a softer less-saturated palette. The first Agfachrome 50 marketed here in the US had way more contrast than Kodachrome, and with grain that looked like buckshot compared to the Ektachrome 64 introduced around the same time.
The film Agfachrome 50s used the now obsolete Agfa process AP41.
It will be unsuccessful if you try to process it in C41 (even at 20C) or in E6 also at 20C.
The best solution, to my knowledge, is to develop it as a black & white film.
You can also have a look here.
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/agfachrome-50s-in-b-w-developer.188722/
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