Tungsten Slide Films

[hpulley]

Silly question I suspect but can't you process the 500T in standard E-6? Or is there a different process for the tungsten balanced slides? Or is there remjet on the film stock?

 

[holmburgers]

Perhaps a fresh thread should be made to either a) point them to this thread or b) just a new thread.

I know that when I'm surfing the "New Posts" section I might not click on something that appears to be uninteresting or whatever, and so if they looked once, they might not look again. And although this does relate to "Tungsten slide films" kinda, it's really become more about using movie film in still cameras which I think is something people are very interested in.

Or better yet, put it on the FREE FREE... stuff thread or in the For Sale classifieds, for $0.

P.S. I got the PM from BWPositive and that sounds great! I'll probably finish up my 1st roll tonight... so c'mon Duncan!

I'm sure people would take you up on the offer if only they knew

 

[frobozz]

Well if I put it in the FREE FREE FREE thread I'd get people taking me up on it just 'cause it's free! I'm more than willing to give up the dollar worth of film and the bulk loading cartridges and the couple of bucks in postage to folks that are seriously interested in trying this out, but I'm not looking to send film into everyone's "that might be neat someday" junk drawer. Heck, I'm seriously interested in this but even I'm having trouble finding the time to shoot the stuff! (The crazy low temps here in Chicago aren't helping.)

In answer to the previous question: yes, it's got Remjet backing.

Duncan

 

[perkeleellinen]

I'd love to join in and shoot a roll but I think living in the UK will make the logistics too complicated.

 

[holmburgers]

Well if I put it in the FREE FREE FREE thread I'd get people taking me up on it just 'cause it's free! I'm more than willing to give up the dollar worth of film and the bulk loading cartridges and the couple of bucks in postage to folks that are seriously interested in trying this out, but I'm not looking to send film into everyone's "that might be neat someday" junk drawer.

You're right, and I"m not suggesting that you whore away your efforts, which by the way are incredibly appreciated. You could introduce a caveat in the post about processing and your expectations. It'd take a little faith in your fellow APUGger, but it could work.

In reality though, I think you should just charge a bit for it. I'd be totally fine paying $5 for a roll, shipping included or something around there.

Anyways, it's your call..

 

[frobozz]

I'd love to join in and shoot a roll but I think living in the UK will make the logistics too complicated.

I'd be happy to send you some, but then you'd either have to find a willing lab over there, or go through the hassle and expense (and potential x-rays?) of shipping it back to the US for processing and back there again afterwards. Maybe you could just tell us what to take pictures of for you and we'll do it over here and save two trips on the film

Duncan

 

[perkeleellinen]

Posting film back and forth isn't too much of an issue, after all, I did it with Kodachrome and also when I've used DR5 lab. The big issue is the lab you've located and it's great that they're able to deal with amateurs sending in short rolls, but overseas amateurs just adds to the hassle and it may not be worth their while. But if cinelab are set up for overseas payments and shipping, I'd still love to join in.

 

[Ian Cooper]

Silly question I suspect but can't you process the 500T in standard E-6? Or is there a different process for the tungsten balanced slides? Or is there remjet on the film stock?

Negative movie film isn't E6 process, it's ECN2 and includes a ramjet backing.

If you google around there are some people who've manually scrubbed off the ramjet before then home processing it in C41 chemistry, with varying levels of success.

 

[frobozz]

Posting film back and forth isn't too much of an issue, after all, I did it with Kodachrome and also when I've used DR5 lab. The big issue is the lab you've located and it's great that they're able to deal with amateurs sending in short rolls, but overseas amateurs just adds to the hassle and it may not be worth their while. But if cinelab are set up for overseas payments and shipping, I'd still love to join in.

PM me your address, and I'll send you a couple of rolls, and then at least you'll have them in hand if things work out that way.

Duncan

 

[holmburgers]

If you google around there are some people who've manually scrubbed off the ramjet before then home processing it in C41 chemistry, with varying levels of success.

Indeed; there's a couple threads here about ECN2 for pictorial use, with examples. I think PE might have had a hand...

The thing about X-pro in C-41 is that although you will get an image, none of the archival properties of the material exist anymore. So there's no guarantee that the image won't degrade over time, perhaps severely. Or so I've heard...

 

[Tim Gray]

So I've recently been in contact with a place in Ohio that will develop ECN-2 rolls. They also offer positives on Vision 2383, paper prints, and scans. Prices sound reasonable ($5/roll for dev). They do not appear to have a website, nor have I ever heard of the place before. My brother is in film school in Ohio and has never mentioned a motion film lab in state. So I'm not exactly sure what the status of the place is. Sounds like it's worth a try.

I found the address on this flickr group.

 

[holmburgers]

Hey, that's awesome Tim. Sounds like there are some options then.

 

[Tim Gray]

I'm super stoked about this Vision stuff.

My brother just got back the footage for a short we shot over Christmas. We opted to get DPX scans for the transfer and he just sent me a three random frames for me to check out. Here's one of Vision3 200T with an 85 filter and a Tiffen Enhancer. Sorry it's not a better frame - he just copied me 3 random ones. This was 16mm stock shot on an Arri SR2 and a Zeiss 10-100 convert to S16 by Optex (I think thats the deal...). Anyway, I think it looks great. I can only imagine what it would look like in 35mm stills format.


HP Thomcraft II frame grab. by ezwal, on Flickr

 

[lxdude]

Negative movie film isn't E6 process, it's ECN2 and includes a ramjet backing.

If you google around there are some people who've manually scrubbed off the ramjet before then home processing it in C41 chemistry, with varying levels of success.

I'd think with a ramjet backing, it would be faster than it is!

 

[frobozz]

So I've recently been in contact with a place in Ohio that will develop ECN-2 rolls. They also offer positives on Vision 2383, paper prints, and scans. Prices sound reasonable ($5/roll for dev). They do not appear to have a website, nor have I ever heard of the place before. My brother is in film school in Ohio and has never mentioned a motion film lab in state. So I'm not exactly sure what the status of the place is. Sounds like it's worth a try.

I found the address on this flickr group.

I've emailed them...

Duncan

 

[holmburgers]

I've finished 1 roll of 500T. So I'd be ready to deveop that, or wait till my other roll is done; whatever you guys wanna do...

 

[B&Wpositive]

I've emailed them...

Duncan

I sent a followup email to the other lab just now.

 

[btaylor]

Has anyone had any results yet? I stumbled onto this thread a few days ago and was surprised to find there might actually be some labs willing to do this work. All the old ones have shut down. In the old days I used to use RGB in Hollywood, they were rolling 5247. I used the slides as proofs.

Years later I got back into filmmaking, and there were many requests by DP's to shoot mopic film in their still cameras for testing, but there were no longer any labs offering the service. A&I in Hollywood started doing it 2 or 3 years ago, but they were selling outdated, color shifted mopic film and the results for testing purposes were useless. I heard that Deluxe was doing the actual processing, so bad film was the likely culprit.

I have thousands of feet of 35mm mopic film in my freezer, I think some 50D, 250D, 500T Vision II or III. An orphan roll of 200' of 50D is useless for anything but a short test in mopic terms, but it would make thousands of still images. I wrote to Double Exposure Ltd about their service, and I would like to hear about any experiences with Cinelab.

 

[btaylor]

I wrote Double Exposure Ltd, doubleexposureltd@gmail.com, and they are gung-ho on ECNII processing, printing to film (slides) and paper, and even scans. I got a quote for $5 for processing, or $25 for everything-- process, prints, slides, scans. I'm going to find my bulk film loader and spool up some carts. I'll report back when I get some results. This might be fun.

 

[holmburgers]

Wow, that's fantastic. Gung-ho no less.

 

[perkeleellinen]

It's progressing well here in the UK too. I've shot three rolls of 250D and I'm working through the first 500T. I think I've got a processing option sorted and should be able to report back soon.

 

[engineerchris]

Just rediscovered this thread thanks to Holmburgers. I have played around with some vision 3 500t in 35mm and even slit some down to 9 mm for my Minox cameras. I can barely get c41 developed where I live, so I have done some rolls xpro with the Tetanol kits. So far results are promising.

My development technique is hit of miss regardless of the color stock, but I must say it is pretty easy to do in Minox or 16mm form.

FWIW I would agree that the title should be renamed to something indicative of the ECN vein.

Good luck to all, I am now inspired to develop more of this stock. I have a few hundred feet of V3 500 and about 100 feet of the 250 in vision2, so that would feed a Minox for many many years of shooting.

I have not yet tried to 250 speed yet. For those that have, is there a noticeable increase in image quality?

 

[holmburgers]

Thanks Chris, glad to know my efforts get noticed sometimes.

I haven't tried the 250 speed, but check on flickr, there might be examples. The range of films available in MP-stock is awesome

 

[Tim Gray]

RE 250D. It's a great film, but honestly, I'd rather just shoot Portra 400 or 160. Unless you are doing it for cost reasons.

50D, 200T, and 500T seem to be the interesting motion films to me.

 

[Athiril]

Reala 500D would be an interesting one to shoot.