thoughts on the announced Kodak film price increase?

[MattKing]

"Kodak Moments successfully integrated the Film business in FY21 ensuring we remain the market leader in providing consumer and professional photographic film and one-time-use cameras for traditional silver halide image capture. The continued resurgence of interest in film photography in combination with selective price increases ensured that revenue exceeded the previous fiscal year." p15.

https://www.kodakalaris.com/getmedi...66bc2/FY21-Accounts-Final-and-Signed.pdf.aspx

Plus this:
"We have now moved to a Retain, Run and Grow strategy for our two core businesses".

 

[MattKing]

This thread is on the edge of being locked.

 

[BrianShaw]

This thread is on the edge of being locked.

Don’t hesitate!

 

[destroya]

too bad the mods cant just lock out certain users so a more civil informed stimulating conversation can continue.

 

[eli griggs]

Premium film, usually means the photographer is using it to do, what the consider critical work, even if its just a road trip for fun.

Most (non-pro) photographers I read and see on youtube videos, pack far more third-party colour films, including outdated emulsions and new offerings, but no Kodak in the main, generally.

In the long term, analog photographers that do no have the deep pockets to always buy all the Premium colour film they want, will pick standards that are within their budgets, wanting to establish a "Look", that they can stick with, after trying other alternatives and decide in their own standard, in order to bring out the best of their intent and ideal of what bringing out the best of the film, their vision and the messages they wish to convey.

Even well monied folks will eventually decide for themselves which film they gives them the best value per exposure and that they can do quite well with less than the best, most of the time, and that cost does matter.

IMO.

 

[Pieter12]

Premium film, usually means the photographer is using it to do, what the consider critical work, even if its just a road trip for fun.

Most (non-pro) photographers I read and see on youtube videos, pack far more third-party colour films, including outdated emulsions and new offerings, but no Kodak in general.

In the long term, analog photographers that do no have the deep pockets to always buy all the Premium colour film they want, will pick standards that are within their budgets, wanting to establish a "Look", that they can stick with, after trying other alternatives and decide in their own standard, in order to bring out the best of their intent and ideal of what bringing out the best of the film, their vision and the messages they wish to convey.

Even well monied folks will eventually decide for themselves which film they gives them the best value per exposure and that they can do quite well with less than the best, most of the time, and that cost does matter.

IMO.

Film is the least expensive of all my costs of photography. I spend at least 2x for paper.

 

[eli griggs]

That is another apples and oranges comparison, as every one that prints on quality paper and many lesser one, pay more for paper than film and almost all of us pay more for cameras and lenses than film and paper together.

Film is the least expensive of all my costs of photography. I spend at least 2x for paper.

 

[markjwyatt]

That is another apples and oranges comparison, as every one that prints on quality paper and many lesser one, pay more for paper than film and almost all of us pay more for cameras and lenses than film and paper together.

Are you sure? Didn't you get a Leica for $10?

 

[Mike Lopez]

Are you sure? Didn't you get a Leica for $10?

Boom. Mic drop!

 

[mshchem]

"Kodak Moments successfully integrated the Film business in FY21 ensuring we remain the market leader in providing consumer and professional photographic film and one-time-use cameras for traditional silver halide image capture. The continued resurgence of interest in film photography in combination with selective price increases ensured that revenue exceeded the previous fiscal year." p15.

https://www.kodakalaris.com/getmedi...66bc2/FY21-Accounts-Final-and-Signed.pdf.aspx

So the 11 million USD that Alaris received from Eastman Kodak Company for sale termination

Is that Eastman Kodak paid to get out of the deal because the economy went off the Covid cliff????

 

[AgX]

If Kodak wants to raise colour film prices, I'm sure the Chinese and others will be more than happy to improve their products, at lower price points.

What chinese colour films? Lucky left this field some years ago.

At the momemt worldwide there are only Kodak and Fuji, with some activity at Inoviscoat.

 

[removed account4]

The only thing that sucks if your comment that digital sucks. It's just another way to make art. I really don't understand your hate-on for it either. Really!

Andrew
I've come to the realization that once in a while the people who hate the most are only part time haters
It's like The Baker / Swaggart Phenomenon.

Either that or you went to the Matt King school of everything is awesome

I thought all we needed was tasty waves and a cool buzz?

 

[eli griggs]

No, not yet, however my day isn't over, yet.

Cheers

Are you sure? Didn't you get a Leica for $10?

 

[eli griggs]

Where there is a nitch that needs filling, the Chinese and others are willing to step in, especially if the competition sells for much higher price points.

I believe that the Chinese will return to the market, as well as some others, just because they will be able to make a profit on colour (and b&w) films.

While Hope does no mean a thing will happen, you should always approach Life with Hope, alive, happy and real, no abort it before it has a chance to form within your Humanity.

IMO, and Godspeed to all,
Eli

What chinese colour films? Lucky left this field some years ago.

At the momemt worldwide there are only Kodak and Fuji, with some activity at Inoviscoat.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Unfortunately the very high purity quality of the reagent chemicals needed for film photography, roll paper problems and supply problems in general work against those people wanting continue color film photography.

Rather than lock the thread, just lock out the enflamers who are bating rather than participating in the discussion of the topic.

 

[NB23]

snip snip snip

too bad film users can't petition the rocket jockeys to preserve not only newspapers but world cultural heritage (film).
anyone know if mr musk or mr besos* have a love of film or film cameras ? I know science and tech geeks sometimes have an affection for the opposite
like barrel calculators, slide rules and carburated vehicles...
* kind of funny my spell check changes his name to pesos ..

Jeff Pesos.

 

[Pieter12]

Where there is a nitch that needs filling, the Chinese and others are willing to step in, especially if the competition sells for much higher price points.

I believe that the Chinese will return to the market, as well as some others, just because they will be able to make a profit on colour (and b&w) films.

While Hope does no mean a thing will happen, you should always approach Life with Hope, alive, happy and real, no abort it before it has a chance to form within your Humanity.

IMO, and Godspeed to all,
Eli

In my estimate, the cost of tooling up to make color film would not pay back for quite a while unless the price and demand for color film go up tremendously. Most consumers will gladly shoot digital for color rather than pay the prices needed to sustain a brand-new color film facility.

 

[Pieter12]

That is another apples and oranges comparison, as every one that prints on quality paper and many lesser one, pay more for paper than film and almost all of us pay more for cameras and lenses than film and paper together.

Why do you think it is apples to oranges? Both are necessary and go hand-in--hand for wet analog photography. If you are balking at the price of film, you should be able to place that cost in perspective with the rest of the consumables used in producing a photograph.

 

[faberryman]

A candy bar used to cost a nickel. Get over it.

 

[mshchem]

Bad example, pentaxuser. People have 2 or 3 cars on loan, maxed out credit cards, loans and lines of credit and huge mortgages. People play with “things” but they own virtually nothing and never will. An enormous swath of the population people have no savings and are about one pay check away from insolvency, company pensions are largely a thing of the past, and when surveyed, ever increasing numbers of people say they will have no retirement and will struggle to make ends meet. The statisticians you’re speaking with must come from the Milton Friedman/Reagan/Thatcher school of economics. Either that or you went to the Matt King school of everything is awesome.

Glad you got lucky though.

Lock away, moderators. How anyone would expect a thread about price increases not to become contentious is ridiculous.

This is a fun read

 

[mshchem]

A candy bar used to cost a nickel. Get over it.

My Dad shot Kodachrome slides, early Christmas slides he was using 25B flash bulbs that were a dime each, (silver dime is about $1.80) photography was not cheap.
We are definitely seeing price hikes, everything is more expensive. I suspect that Kodak and Kodak Alaris are looking to make a healthy profit.

 

[mshchem]

A candy bar used to cost a nickel. Get over it.

Snickers, Hershey bars were a dime

 

[Pieter12]

My Dad shot Kodachrome slides, early Christmas slides he was using 25B flash bulbs that were a dime each, (silver dime is about $1.80) photography was not cheap.
We are definitely seeing price hikes, everything is more expensive. I suspect that Kodak and Kodak Alaris are looking to make a healthy profit.

I haven't studied Kodak's financial statements, but isn't it the purpose of a publicly-traded company to make a profit? And is that profit now more than it has been in the past? They are not in the business of providing film for your enjoyment, they are in the business of making money.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Snickers, Hershey bars were a dime

But they are much smaller.

 

[MattKing]

So the 11 million USD that Alaris received from Eastman Kodak Company for sale termination

Is that Eastman Kodak paid to get out of the deal because the economy went off the Covid cliff????

Eastman Kodak had no involvement with the transaction. Eastman Kodak had nothing to do with that business since it was acquired by Kodak Alaris as part of the bankruptcy settlement.
That would most likely reflect the difference between the depreciated value of the Paper and chemicals business on Alaris' books, and the actual amount received from Sino Promise for those assets.