I shoot a lot of landscapes, so if I'm driving 5+ hours out to the mountains to take some photos, I'll likely use a better film stock. If I'm out for a walk with my dogs and my wife I would likely use a cheaper stock because the technical quality of the photos isn't as important, and I still get to enjoy the developing and printing or hybrid workflow if I want to. I like digital for home movies though.I don't really understand this idea of shooting lower cost film when its not important. When is it not important? I guess it depends on how you approach photography, and how and what you shoot, and what you plan to do with the image after you shoot it. If I were just posting pictures of my lunch on Instagram I might think about using a lower cost film. Actually, I would just shoot digital. I guess everybody is different.
MeToo!Yes I know EK still makes the film. I'm just saying if Don's musing ever came to pass, I would be done.
I'm just surprised that Kodak has been increasing its price A LOT than any other film production company, more so without any public statements. We, as consumers have to scout onto the Internet in order to verify if the price hikes are legitimate. Also, I'm not sure why their online presence (via Instagram) is promoting in Kodak branded clothes, rather than their films. They seem to be completely out of touch with their consumers.Unfortunately in terms of predicting the effect on Kodak film sales isn't the fact that each of us, me included, is by and large giving our own opinion and assuming that if most or even enough of the rest of the film buying community think the same but we just don't know
All we can say is that it is likely that there comes a point at which the recent frequency and size of increases is almost bound to adversely affect film sales to the detriment of revenue. Where that point is I don't know. The size of our participatory group is, I feel, far too small to really be significant in statistical terms
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Thankfully I have loaded my fridge with rare bulk rolls of E100S and Provia. I still have 3 rolls of modern E100 in the freezer that I might sell once they reach the price of gold (probably really soon).This dude abides no more. Not at these prices. So long Kodak, will miss TMY2.
I am not sure why you think a manufacturer has any obligation to their customers beyond providing a safe and reliable product. They can continue to sell film at whatever prices they want to charge, that's their business.I'm just surprised that Kodak has been increasing its price A LOT than any other film production company, more so without any public statements. We, as consumers have to scout onto the Internet in order to verify if the price hikes are legitimate. Also, I'm not sure why their online presence (via Instagram) is promoting in Kodak branded clothes, rather than their films. They seem to be completely out of touch with their consumers.
So it's ok for them to make an announcement on the canister change but not for price hikes? Also, that last sentence is literally the definition of monopoly.I am not sure why you think a manufacturer has any obligation to their customers beyond providing a safe and reliable product. They can continue to sell film at whatever prices they want to charge, that's their business.
So it's ok for them to make an announcement on the canister change but not for price hikes?
Also, that last sentence is literally the definition of monopoly.
Nah we won't. Otherwise we would've have gotten one last year as well.but I don't see them having some sort of moral or ethical obligation to make an announcement on price hikes. You'll know soon enough.
I was making a point that Pieter's comment implied Kodak can jack up their price without a proper reason.Kodak doesn't have a monopoly on still film. Consumers have choices. Of course not as many as they formerly had.
And they can. And HP can lower their prices with no reason (unless they're dumping product, thot is illegal). There's no monopoly here, Kodak still has competition. Look at what Apple does with their prices. It's what the market will bear.Nah we won't. Otherwise we would've have gotten one last year as well.
I was making a point that Pieter's comment implied Kodak can jack up their price without a proper reason.
Regarding consumer choices, they are quite limited, especially color films. You have either Kodak or Fujifilm and that's literally it (besides repacked/rebanded ones like Lomo and other "experimental" films). That's the problem with monopoly, when there is no competition then the company can dictate whatever prices they want. I was honestly surprised Fujifilm didn't charge an absurd amount for their E6 films before Kodak remake Ektachrome.
Yes I know EK still makes the film. I'm just saying if Don's musing ever came to pass, I would be done.
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but I guess there are photographers who will never use anything else, and if they are priced out of the marketKodak doesn't have a monopoly on still film. Consumers have choices. Of course not as many as they formerly had.
Kodak can raise prices for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all.I was making a point that Pieter's comment implied Kodak can jack up their price without a proper reason.
Have you seen the price for buggy whips lately?Regarding consumer choices, they are quite limited, especially color films. You have either Kodak or Fujifilm and that's literally it (besides repacked/rebanded ones like Lomo and other "experimental" films). That's the problem with monopoly, when there is no competition then the company can dictate whatever prices they want.
Fuji probably thought they were charging what the market would bear, and significant price hikes would cause customers to give up slides altogether.I was honestly surprised Fujifilm didn't charge an absurd amount for their E6 films before Kodak remake Ektachrome.
Kodak has literally Fujifilm to compete for color films. Who else makes color films, Ferrania? /sAnd they can. And HP can lower their prices with no reason (unless they're dumping product, thot is illegal). There's no monopoly here, Kodak still has competition. Look at what Apple does with their prices. It's what the market will bear.
And?Kodak can raise prices for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all.
Buggy whips? What are you smoking?Have you seen the price for buggy whips lately?
So basically the same now with the price hike? Or are you saying that Fuji missed out on a huge potential profit from slides.Fuji probably thought they were charging what the market would bear, and significant price hikes would cause customers to give up slides altogether.
its funny that you said thatKodak can raise prices for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all.
When I said Kodak can raise prices for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, I did not mean to imply there would be no consequences from their actions.its funny that you said that
because when I first started charging people to make photographs for them
I told a friend what my day rate was and he laughed and told me that if that is what I was charging "last year" I was a putz
because it is standard business practice to increase prices by 5 or 10% every year, like for no reason at all except to just do it.
thanks for reminding me to raise my rates, covid fog made me forget.
there are consequences to ever action !When I said Kodak can raise prices for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, I did not mean to imply there would be no consequences from their actions.
Generally, prices and rates go up with inflation and the cost of living. I believe it was Edward Weston who found that shooting portraits was taking up too much of his time and he wanted to do more personal work. He doubled his rates. And his business increased, because folks figured if he can charge those prices, he must be really good.its funny that you said that
because when I first started charging people to make photographs for them
I told a friend what my day rate was and he laughed and told me that if that is what I was charging "last year" I was a putz
because it is standard business practice to increase prices by 5 or 10% every year, like for no reason at all except to just do it.
thanks for reminding me to raise my rates, covid fog made me forget.
yes, it was shrunk very shrunk.
As far as I know, just Kodak and Fuji are manufacturing color film. Perhaps there are others. I don't know, for example, who makes color film for the Chinese market. I also don't know who makes Lomography's purple film and other specialty products. I am sure others on the forum do. If demand for film increases, and Kodak and Fuji are unable to meet that demand, then perhaps another company will begin manufacturing color film and will provide some competition. I seem to remember a recent post saying that ORWO is going to begin offering a color film, but I may be mistaken.Kodak has literally Fujifilm to compete for color films. Who else makes color films, Ferrania? /s
It is a metaphor for what happens when demand falls for a product such that only one or a few companies are needed to satisfy the demand.Buggy whips? What are you smoking?
I suggested that Fuji may have chosen not to raise prices significantly for its E6 offerings because it was concerned that people would simply stop shooting slide film. Are you familiar with the aphorism "Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered"?So basically the same now with the price hike? Or are you saying that Fuji missed out on a huge potential profit from slides
I get we have a supply and demand issue caused by the pandemic, but come on, why are you guys keep saying that's "what the market will bear"? Do any of you even work for Kodak or any major film production companies?
Are people still buying film? Then that means the market is bearing the price.why are you guys keep saying that's "what the market will bear"?
Yes it does. It also could mean that those same people are buying less film than before, or less than the might had the price been lower. No matter… it is what it is.Are people still buying film? Then that means the market is bearing the price.
It is a shame we live in a world obsessed with getting the cheapest price for everything.
do you have a camera brand you only use too ?I would still make photographs, but would be done with Kodak.
So it's ok for them to make an announcement on the canister change but not for price hikes? Also, that last sentence is literally the definition of monopoly.
Kodak has literally Fujifilm to compete for color films. Who else makes color films, Ferrania? /s
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