This document could have been made by anyone sitting at a computer. It is written in british English so if it was an attempt to fake an official Kodak announcement, it has failed.
(Moderator's Note - two related threads merged into thread in Industry News)
didnt see a post about it here, unless I missed it. third time in 3 years. I know a lot of products have increased in price during the pandemic, but is this now going to be a yearly occurrence? time to make a larger purchase than usual before jan 2022? a 50% increase in tmax 100, really?
S o any idea as to why Tmax 100 is just an anomaly?Well, the tmax 100 just is an anomaly. .
Several of the "News" items from that particular site seem to come out of thin air with no supporting information. I also laugh at the Statement about "Lomography" being a film manufacturer.This document could have been made by anyone sitting at a computer. It is written in british English so if it was an attempt to fake an official Kodak announcement, it has failed.
Delta 400 is magnificent.
From a 120 roll film image on Delta 400, Kodak Medalist II used: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51484378840_48cf078231_k.jpg
I shoot slides exclusively and have stopped buying it years ago, when E-6 films started to cost 15€ for the roll. Too damn high a price for a yield of ~6 keepers per roll in a hobby setting.Wowser! Ektachome will be $23.99/roll. We are lucky to have it at all; still, at some point people will stop buying it.
That's wishful thinking that ignores the photochemical reality of ECN-2. Orwo/Inoviscoat are already able to make C-41 (CD-4) compatible materials, and by getting ECN-2 (CD-3) on the market it opens up both their ability to make other CD-3 based materials (E-6) & possibly also the last critical steps to making a 'good' C-41 as opposed to the incremental steps that have been turned into various Lomo products. And you'll need to reposition your thinking as to price - it's far more likely to be closely competitive with Kodak than significantly cheaper - Kodak have major institutional making/ coating advantages (e.g. can coat in a single pass through 2 coating stations, driers etc - the Inoviscoat setup requires a double pass through the machine to deliver the same number of layers).
film is expensive.good film is more expensive and prices will go up further before they stop, I predict. W e have no choice and are still lucky to get film at all.Saw this news by Kosmofoto (Stephen Dowling) posted on Twitter. Does anyone know about it? There is no source.
https://kosmofoto.com/2021/10/kodak-alaris-announces-significant-price-increases-for-january-2022/
Well, good and rigorous as our discussion has been on the rights and wrongs of this announced Kodak price increase it appears we are no nearer authenticating it.
To DMJ, the originator can I ask did Kosmofoto(Stephen Dowling state or at least hint that this was a genuine Kodak doc or Kosmofoto's typed summary from a genuine Kodak doc it has been sent or otherwise received from a reliable source within Kodak?
Thanks
pentaxuser
Don't UK import duties really hurt Kodak compared to Ilford?I meant to add that's not true of the B&W market with regards to Kodak. They've almost killed demand for their sheet films here in the UK with their prices to the extent than few suppliersnow one carry or even list their 10x8 Tmax or Tri-X films any longer but they do stock Ilford, Foma, Adox, and more recently Shangai.
I had a discussion about this with my supplierquite recently and they felt Kodak had priced themselves out of the B&W market, they don't stock items that won't sell.
Ian
Internet sales used to be not charged sales tax. But that's ended for a couple of years. B and H has been charging sales tax on film web sales even to other states.I seem to recall that Kodak Alaris pays a 3rd party to confection all the sheet film. Is this accurate?? The retail photo market in the US is so distorted thanks to the decades of zero tax collection by B&H and other online companies. B&H, Freestyle, Unique Photo and others enjoy volume rebates etc.
I buy Ilford and Foma sheet film, Tri-X is great film, but it's just not feasible for me. I have a 22 cu ft refrigerator freezer absolutely full of film and paper, and I still am buying new.
the author authenticated it.Well, good and rigorous as our discussion has been on the rights and wrongs of this announced Kodak price increase it appears we are no nearer authenticating it.
Nope. They could have made an error in judgement on how the increased prices will affect loyalty and demand. Potentially pricing yourself out of the market might be a mistake. I jumped ship to Ilford a long time ago. Color negative shooters may jump ship to Fuji.im sure its right for EK/KA, otherwise they wouldn't have done it, right?
It’s almost as bad as the restaurants that now charge for the (formerly) free bread.No. They could have made an error in judgement on how the increased prices will affect loyalty and demand. Potentially pricing yourself out of the market might be a mistake.
There are no rights or wrongs. The market tends to determine prices. Sellers raise their prices as high as they think buyers will pay. If sales drop too much, then they're too high and they'll lower them. It's a balancing act.the author authenticated it.
not sure what the rights and wrongs are? raising prices are right or wrong?
im sure its right for EK/KA, otherwise they wouldn't have done it, right?
Nope. They could have made an error in judgement on how the increased prices will affect loyalty and demand. Potentially pricing yourself out of the market might be a mistake. I jumped ship to Ilford a long time ago. Color negative shooters may jump ship to Fuji.
UK import duties on film are currently 0%, i can't recall the pre brexit rate but 5% at most.. There is 20% vat (sales tax) still but thats true on all sales except food.Don't UK import duties really hurt Kodak compared to Ilford?
Thanks for that info. Could Kodak costs be higher first because it's made in America where labor and other costs are higher to manufacture? Second, their film is rated very highly such as Tmax and Portra compared to other manufacturers. . Ektar and Ektachrome are also rated very highly. Are these films worth the extra cost? Also, each film has particular features that may not be duplicated by other films. So if you like a particular way a film handles BW tones or color, for example, you're willing to pay more for it.UK import duties on film are currently 0%, i can't recall the pre brexit rate but 5% at most.. There is 20% vat (sales tax) still but thats true on all sales except food.
About 3 yrs ago kodak prices were still fairly comparable to Ilford.
Did any of you actually READ this?? https://silvergrainclassics.com/en/2021/10/film-price-analysis/
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