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Here are some landscape photographs I consider a tad different:

David Maisel: http://www.davidmaisel.com/works/photo/lak_m_01.jpg
Edward Burtynsky: Dead Link Removed
Joel Sternfeld: http://www.luhringaugustine.com/files/b88cbbe1.jpg

The single best color print I saw at AIPAD this year was a Sternfeld. I saw nothing by Burtynsky. If he is represented by any of the galleries there he certainly wasn't being actively promoted. Most of the color work was the stuff Richard is talking about.

There was an enormous digital blowup of a William Christenberry picture from an 8x10 that he made years ago. So I guess even some of the iconic old timers are jumping onto the "whatever you do make it big" bandwagon. It's a shame too, in my opinion, because such a print can never compare to the original 8x10 contact prints.

The composer Charles Ives made a fortune in the insurance business after graduating from the music conservatory at Yale. When asked near the end of his life why he didn't pursue a career in music he said: "...because I would never have known if the music wasn't going 'ta-ta!' for the money". (I'm paraphrasing, but I'm close.) I think there is great wisdom there.
 

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* those on APUG who think such things are "fine art" really need a reality check:tongue:

Why do my hackles rise every time some one beats down anothers' OPINION without any reference to a logical argument? In this case the beating has bled to a wide field without specifics.

Without prejudice - I will NOT say whether or not I think such things are "Fine Art" (whatever THAT is)... I need a "reality check"?

Isn't a great deal of the essence of "Fine Art" (whatever that is) defined by a departure - or as an ESCAPE from "reality" (whatever that is)???
 

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i love bjorke's certificate (no cynicism, really!). sounds like in a culture that celebrates freedom ( freedom to choose whatever the hell i want to do ) , any sort of consensus and moderation will inevitably be frowned upon ( " who the hell are you to tell me what i can photograph?" ). that's why i'm excited about some of the new guys that are photo'ing new subject matter in b/w. bjorke's summary(*) is quite functional in terms of informing a photographer as to what are the well trodden paths ( canonic subject matter ) and if you are going down that road, you can be conscious of the tradition that you find yourself in. an interesting essay by richard garrod, for me, eloquently puts words to the dilemma some photographers may be facing. personally, i'm always excited about the next contribution made by landscape photographers, colour or b/w. christopher burkett comes to mind and in b/w, charles phillips ( shame i can't see in the flesh! ), bruce barnbaum, john wimberley etc. oops! this is way off topic!
 

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Having edited many thousands of photos I could make my list of dull subjects which are almost universally approached in dull formulaic ways much, MUCH longer than what I wrote there, wacho. But I edited myself, too.

I don't tell anyone what to photograph. For the record, I happen to like being around kittens, blustery scottish moors, beautiful naked women, and going for foggy walks in the woods. I even like to take pictures at those times. Some of the photos I've made of those subjects are hugely valuable to me. What I don't do, however, is make the absurd assertion, without some careful consideration up front, that seeing those photos will automatically be worth the time for someone else to see.

And that's really true in a context where I may desire that people look at my photos in the company of (and perhaps to the exclusion of) other really good photographs.

In the specific case of the "NBW" pool, I want people who come to see the collection feel that the photos they are seeing within the moderated collection are really first-rate. It is a source of pleasure to me not unlike keeping my living room free from trash for the comfort of as-yet-unannounced guests.

KB

(btw, the reason I put quotes around "fine art" is because I believe that if art needs to have an adjective telling you how good it is in advance, there's a stronger chance than ever that it just plain sucks. My experience has shown that in general nothing labeled "fine art" ever aims higher than about the middle brow)
 
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Tim ;

There is the possibility that the subtleties escape me. I have the same problem with punk music sometimes, I can't spot hardcore from West Coast, from Oi!

But the three photographs you have showed me display the style that is found everywhere else in calendar photography: contrasty mountains shots taken at the "golden hour", cottony rivers, saturated colours, blinding light.

It is perhaps a little sad that people can't see beyond the subject choice to the photograph. I'm not the biggest fan of Ken Duncan or Jack Dykinga (I prefer Jack to Ken though). I am a big fan of Joe Cornish however and I think you do a little injustice to pigeonhole him as a calendar photographer.

I'd be interested to know if you think it possible to take vista pictures of natures without being accused of calendarmongery?

Here are some landscape photographs I consider a tad different:

David Maisel: http://www.davidmaisel.com/works/photo/lak_m_01.jpg
Edward Burtynsky: Dead Link Removed
Joel Sternfeld: http://www.luhringaugustine.com/files/b88cbbe1.jpg

I really like Edward Burtynsky and I think he brings the same Aesthetic that Joe has to a novel subject matter. David Maisel is just another 'Earth from the air' pundit (I'm sorry I'm being equally dismissive but I think of this sort of photography as a scientific curiosity mostly - like microsopic pictures or astronomy pictures). Joel Sternfield doesn't seem to have an aesthetic, at least one I can see. I don't think I undertsand the message he's trying to portray.

Just as an aside. I give you three Joe Cornish Pictures that don't sit with your 'calendar' moniker...

http://www.joecornish.com/global/images/uploads/20060420170519.jpg
http://www.joecornish.com/global/images/uploads/20060420163606.jpg
http://www.joecornish.com/global/images/uploads/20060420153025.jpg

In rerturn could someone suggest a colour photographer that celebrates the landscape at large that we don't instantly dismiss as 'calendary'? Maybe it's me, but I don't personally feel the need to avoid the subject matter and to pick something not photogenic in order to prove an artistic point.

Finally, should we also classify Elliot Porter, Peter Dombrovskis, Jan Tove, Christopher Burkett, Charles Cramer, etc as calendary?

I don't want to sound defensive or reactionary, I just wonder if it's a subject reaction not an art reaction...
Tim
 

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regarding earth from the sky, william garnett and steve mulligan certainly elevate it from being merely a 'scientific curiosity'. the subject selection nd the method are part of the expression.


back to colour foto - anyone like shinzo maeda ? amazing stuff.
 

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Tim, I won't argue against the fact that many people are tokens of a larger type. Maisel is one, Burtynsky as well, and so on, like the calendars.

In a separate thread, people were discussing originality v. quality. I, like others, bemoan the fact that artists too often look for the novelty in order to fulfill an artificially created need for originality. And it's true, a lot of the stuff you see in art magazines will be gone in two months once the novelty wears off. It would be an occasional and refreshing event to see an artist that is not trying to outdo his peers, and instead strive for simple quality, and good execution.

But the opposite problem is of people who simply produce "correct" pictures, that respect the rules of spatial composition, colour harmony, exposure, and development.

I'm not dismissing the pictures you showed for lack of quality in execution, but I ask myself: Why do these pictures matter over all the other ones? They're slick, well exposed and pleasing to the taste of many, but they don't have the vague sense of a theme, nor a particular outlook on life, nor an effort to see pictorially beyond the canons of received beauty. They don't articulate a statement, thematic or pictorial, they don't say something.

Of all the three Cornish pictures, the last one is perhaps the only one that comes close to articulating something, because of the parallel between the cirrus clouds and the beach patterns. But I can't see anything similar applying to the sun-through-clouds one or the cliff.

Perhaps if I knew a little bit more about Cornish, saw a few more of his pictures, I could read him better, just like you confessed your inability to see what Sternfeld is articulating.

So to come back to the question of being token-of-a-type, I don't think it matters if someone is "calendary" because of the way their photos look. They're calendary only when they don't make an effort to articulate anything. It's not about being original v. cliché, but about saying something worth hearing.
 

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Heh -- it only took two years for me to get a clear window for it (about one hour per night was all I could stand).

g'day all

bjorke, could you possibly expand on how/why/and who would care that you are the arbiter of all things "fine art"

Ray
 

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I'm confused, as I never made such a claim. All I was talking about was this link which is full of pictures that I like.

I said that the term "fine art" is inherently highly suspect, in fact.
 

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I'm confused, as I never made such a claim. All I was talking about was this link which is full of pictures that I like.

I said that the term "fine art" is inherently highly suspect, in fact.


g'day bjorke

didn't you post that you are editing the images on a website?

you also made some strong statements about "fine art" and how it is perceived on this site

i just wanted you to expand on your opinions

Ray
 
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