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I found a Bronica ETRS for cheap.

I like cheap, not cheap made.

As much as I like shooting 4x5 for portrait work, I think medium format works better for my work flow.

I know nothing about Bronica's. How are they for tripod portrait?
How are they for hand held work?

Lens choice; should be the same for most medium format?
A good 180mm?

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Only issue for tripod portrait might be it's setup for landscape mode. You can rotate the camera and use the rotating prism I guess.

Handheld is great. Get a grip and it's even easier.

150mm or 200mm are your choices. At least I don't remember a 180mm
 

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I like cheap, not cheap made.

Also known as 'good value for money'.

I have an ETRS but if I were doing portraits, I would spend a little bit more and get the SQ because of its square format.

I like using the waist level finder but if you want to use the camera handheld and turn it 90 degrees to portrait format, the prism is essential.

With the SQ you don't need to worry about this.




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There can't be to many medium format cameras that are not a good value for the money at todays prices.

:wink:



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I had a ETRsi for a couple of years, it was a well built camera that worked quite well. It had a few quirks that I didn't care for, mainly the way the metering prism sucked batteries. I agree with Steve, if you are going to shoot portraits look at a 6x6 camera.

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Well, I have an old TLR 6x6... Yashika-mat I believe. I could just use that... It works fine. I'll keep looking for something square.
 

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I have the ETRsi and always have a ball when I use it. Pictures captured are super and a lot of people have some good questions and comments about it.
 

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There is a 180mm for ETRS. It's one of the more expensive lenses for that system, but still under $300 at KEH. The 150mm is much more common and cheaper, about $100-150 for the newer models and less than $100 for the older ones.

I haven't found my AEII prism sucks batteries, although this is a common complaint.

Bronica's SQ system is also a good value if you want 6x6.
 

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My only quirk w/this camera is that the viewfinder seems alittle dim.The 180 is an f/4.5.I would recommend the 150mm f/3.5.That extra stop will come in handy.180 is a nice focal length,though.
 

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There is a 180mm for ETRS. It's one of the more expensive lenses for that system.

Probably why I don't have one!


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John, I have used an etrs system off and on for many years. They are good hand held, if you have the speed grip, and fine on a tripod, even in portrait mode. Like anything, it can take a little getting used to, but really not much different than using a big 35mm camera in some ways. I like the 150 for portraits, often shoot it wide open. Me, I'm not big on the square format, have a couple of tlr's and a 'blad that I never really use much except for some macro stuff (which I crop anyway .......) but hang on to more out of sentiment than practicality. See if you can borrow or rent one to try out.
 
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Remember, I am use to shooting 4x5, so the "Not square" deal is no biggie for me.

Someone bought that camera early this morning before I could get back to it... boo... I'll find another one.

I don't really need a light meter, as I have a hand held one.

I don't want to spend 'blad prices right now, as I am still not totally convinced this is what I need to do. So perhaps under $300... just for testing. I can always sell it and buy something else.
I'm not opposed to cropping paper... So square or not square, I just want to see if the: "roll neg + to the lab + proof session" is greater than: "4x5 neg + hassle to even get them to the lab..."

I think for me it comes down to cost. 4x5 costs me between $1-4 depending on which film PER shot. A 120 roll is $0.40 cents per shot? So for the price of a nice chrome 4x5, I can shoot 12.
 

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A thing about the 150mm versus 180mm -- the minimum focus distance on the 150mm is relatively long and can be problematic if you want a person's face to fill the frame. The 180mm is better in this respect, and is supposed to be quite good in general. I haven't found one at the right price yet, however.
 
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My only quirk w/this camera is that the viewfinder seems alittle dim. . .

That remark could only come from someone who has never used a DX DSLR!

The ETRS is an excellent camera. And I never found it difficult to rotate the body 90 degrees to shoot in portrait.
 

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I have picked up a nice little ETRSi set in the past few weeks. I am quite pleased with it, and bought it after a lot of consideration.

I have experimented with quite a range of cameras and formats in the last couple of years, looking for what was most productive for my style of shooting -- including digital, 35mm RF, 35mm SLR, medium format folder, TLR, 6x7/2"x3" press, and 4x5 press. I settled on medium format as possesing the greatest image quality possible in cameras that I actually wanted to use. I knew that I wanted some kind of ground glass viewing, for contemplative work, and the possibility of a prism for more action-packed situations. Finally, I also hope to have a leaf shutter, to offer a fast flash sync speed.

The process of elimination lead me to.... Hassleblad! Which wasn't really feasible (even with the "low" current prices.) Beyond the name, the other camera system that offered the same use-value was Bronica. I knew the 645 format wasn't a problem for me, because when I shoot 6x6 I will often crop for an 8x10 anyway. The ETR system, which was SO popular for working photographers, is now so common on the used market that the currect prices are great. I picked up a very complete ETRSi kit, with 75mm and 150mm lenses, for half the price of one Hasselblad lens.

The build quality on the camera and lenses are great. Definitely on a par with the best 35mm pro gear I've handled. The electronic shutters also gives me confidence that the camera will keep working without constant need for adjustment. As for image quality, I am very pleased. The lenses (even my older MC series) are a step up from the 4-element Yashinon in my Yashicamat. The waist-level finder works a treat. It is bright and accurate, with a lovely critical focusser. With the regular prism and speedgrip on the camera, it handles like a giant Spotmatic! The prism is large and bright -- much brighter than I have seen in the Pentax 645. I don't know anything about the metered prism, as I prefer to use a handheld meter anyway.

Given your 4x5 experience with the big ground glass, I think a Bronica (ETR or SQ) with waist level finder would be a very natural way of working for you.

Economically, also makes a lot of sense. I have my 120 processed and scanned at the same lab as my 35mm, and for the same price. The high-res minilab scans are the same resolution as a 6mp DSLR, and 645 represents the sweet spot for those scanners. The frame size matches the native scan proportions and provides the maximum film area for the scanner to work with. The result is lovely tonality in your "digital proofs." Of course, 120 is also very easy to process yourself. My home darkroom only does up to 6x6, so 645 works well with the equipment I have and will let me easily print "ideal format" as they say.
 

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That remark could only come from someone who has never used a DX DSLR!



My comment is legite regardless of your approval.I do have a 1.6 crop camera and it seems brighter.A couple friends have a pentax 645AF and another w/a Mamiya RZ 67.Both are brighter.That's a factor to be aware of.
One small issue w/a camera doesn't drop it from consideration.My Bronica is otherwise a pleasure and won't be going anywhere.
 
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ETRS is a superb camera; an ETRSi is a superb wedding camera! Made lots of money shooting with ETRSi system (2 bodies, half dozen film backs, assorted finders, most of the lens lineup -- except for 500mm, 180mm, 105mm, 30mm or the special (and rare) Schneider PC lens -- teleconvertor, two extension tubes. I have the speed grip for non-rushed shooting, and motor winder for faster pace, and motor drive for remotely triggered shooting.) Terrific for shooting portraits hand held or on the tripod. I love tripod mounting and triggering the motor drive with radio remote, to catch the portrait sitter when they immediately relax after a shot is taken! It really handles like a 35mm camera when used with the speed grip.

I lament the lack of an affordable digital medium format back to fit the body. And I especially lament the loss of value on the used market, when digital took the world by storm!
 
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To tell you the truth, I don't lament the value loss at all! Because that means I just got this camera at what... 1/8 price?
 

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To tell you the truth, I don't lament the value loss at all! Because that means I just got this camera at what... 1/8 price?


Nice for you, bad for me...because I bought it all new and now take a beating if wanting to sell off surplus equipment! :sad:
 

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Nice for you, bad for me...because I bought it all new and now take a beating if wanting to sell off surplus equipment! :sad:

You got to use it when there was no used market. You have used it since you got. You have enjoyed it. It has served its purpose for you. You have spent more on film and processing than you did on the camera. Come on, you really have nothing to complain about.

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You got to use it when there was no used market. You have used it since you got. You have enjoyed it. It has served its purpose for you. You have spent more on film and processing than you did on the camera. Come on, you really have nothing to complain about.

Steve

C'mon Steve, I need a reason to bellyache! :tongue:
 
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So I got the camera Monday. Came with a fresh battery, 120 back, 75mm and non metered prizm.

Things I had to get use to: The mirror doesn't reset after you press the shutter release. The lens takes forever to rack from 2 feet to infinity. I will most likely loose the darkslide.
Things I like: It's big, massive, clunky and mostly feels like it's built like a tank. It makes a good loud cluchunk when I mash the shutter release. It's 6x4.5, which I'm use to. It's easy to work.
Things I would like to have: Speed grip. It's hard to wield, and would act more like a big SLR. Metered Prizm. More backs, of course. I am still trying to figure out if I want a motor winder or not.

I LOVE this camera so far.
 

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So I got the camera Monday. Came with a fresh battery, 120 back, 75mm and non metered prizm.

Congratulations! Enjoy!

Things I had to get use to: The mirror doesn't reset after you press the shutter release.

You are in good company with the Hassy folks.

I will most likely loose the darkslide.

Buy a few spares. You will rest easier that way. I bought two extras and I have never needed them.

It makes a good loud cluchunk when I mash the shutter release.

One of the joys of MF SLRs.

Steve
 
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