Thomas Kinkade's death

[Leigh Youdale]

Show us some, and we'll stop typing about turds.

A really silly response, which just proves my point.

 

[k_jupiter]

The problem is, is that in this art form, and in some others there are two brain types exploring it.

The engineer type who likes toys, gadgets and the fondling of mechanical wonders as well as the analysis of technique to copy or achieve similar results. The art to him is the existence of these camera things, and lo and behold the damn thing can actually take pictures too.

Sort of like two guys looking at a pretty girl. One wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones and the other one wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones. One just lies about it.

Hand up, waving madly... That be me Sir.

And we have the artsy fartsy types who are more interested in creating images and don't/can't deal with the mechanics at all. The camera thing is just a means to an end.

Sort of like two guys looking at a pretty girl. One wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones and the other one wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones. One just lies about it.


That was a lot of my classmates at NESOP and most of the art/photography students when I worked in the darkroom at the University (where I was getting my engineering degree).

Then we have the people in between.

Sort of like two guys looking at a pretty girl. One wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones and the other one wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones. One just lies about it.

Runs the gamut from boriing to accomplished. The hardest to deal with artistically.


There is one constant in all these types.

tim in san jose

 

[E. von Hoegh]

A really silly response, which just proves my point.

You stated that the discussion was to be "about art, artistic ability, and artistic integrity". I responded, "show us some, and we'll stop typing about turds".

Don't take my comment out of context. It was and is a very apt comparison.

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

Sort of like two guys looking at a pretty girl. One wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones and the other one wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones. One just lies about it.

Hand up, waving madly... That be me Sir.



Sort of like two guys looking at a pretty girl. One wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones and the other one wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones. One just lies about it.


That was a lot of my classmates at NESOP and most of the art/photography students when I worked in the darkroom at the University (where I was getting my engineering degree).



Sort of like two guys looking at a pretty girl. One wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones and the other one wants to take her clothes off and jump her bones. One just lies about it.

Runs the gamut from boriing to accomplished. The hardest to deal with artistically.


There is one constant in all these types.

tim in san jose

Tim- you're forgetting option #3 - Two guys look at a pretty girl, but decide to jump each others' bones instead.

 

[k_jupiter]

Tim- you're forgetting option #3 - Two guys look at a pretty girl, but decide to jump each others' bones instead.

That happens a lot out here.

tim in san jose

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

I think the level of contribution to this thread has now become a quite accurate indicator of the people posting the comments and really has little to do with the photographers or artists mentioned.

The number of references to bodily waste is distasteful and demonstrates a low level of intellect. That in turn indicates that the posters have nothing of value to contribute to what was supposed to be a discussion about art, artistic ability and artistic integrity.

This is a photographic forum, not a school toilet wall.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master — that's all."

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.

"They've a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they're the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Ken

 

[E. von Hoegh]

No wonder they shoved the arrogant prick off the wall.

 

[Brian C. Miller]

While some of you are gleefully dancing on Kinkade's virtual grave, his estate's sales have skyrocketed.
Kinkade's sudden death boosts Napa gallery sales

 

[pbromaghin]

There's one born every minute.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

There's one born every minute.

No, they've stepped up production. At least three per minute.

 

[moose10101]

While some of you are gleefully dancing on Kinkade's virtual grave, his estate's sales have skyrocketed.
Kinkade's sudden death boosts Napa gallery sales

I see strong opinions, but not glee. And I doubt anyone is surprised at the increase in sales.

He apparently drank himself to death at age 54, after enduring years of criticism and a split from his wife. Not a pleasant way to live or die.

http://news.yahoo.com/brother-painter-kinkade-relapsed-alcoholism-135057680.html

 

[blansky]

While some of you are gleefully dancing on Kinkade's virtual grave, his estate's sales have skyrocketed.
Kinkade's sudden death boosts Napa gallery sales

$200,000.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

OMG. Hilarious.

Why not just buy a paint by number and save yourself $199,980.

 

[Dave Wooten]

Ah, the gentle art of jumping bones

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

All too often, the consequences of our words and actions are not fully realized nor understood until it is too late to take them back or remedy them. The man is dead and many continue to ridicule him. If his actions paralleled Adolph Hitler then, yeah, we would surely speak poorly of the man. But... he was a harmless artist, not a cold and evil murderer. Why not either speak well of him or keep quiet? His family is listening.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

All too often, the consequences of our words and actions are not fully realized nor understood until it is too late to take them back or remedy them. The man is dead and many continue to ridicule him. If his actions paralleled Adolph Hitler then, yeah, we would surely speak poorly of the man. But... he was a harmless artist, not a cold and evil murderer. Why not either speak well of him or keep quiet? His family is listening.

A good argument to give some consideration to what one does while alive, then. I have no opinion about the man other than his life ended sadly for him and his family.

His paintings sucked and sucked hard, and his business model (sell crap that makes the buyer feel good no matter how little merit it has, and make a bundle for yourself doing it) does not inspire respect. His work and his business unfortunately live on, and his gallery is taking in more than ever.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

E. von H. ... If the man's work made people "feel good"... what more can one ask of his art? Others' "opinions" of one's work is meaningless when the artist gave so much "happiness" to so many others. How many of us "critics" can claim that much influence on our fellow people's hearts? I don't get it. It sounds more like jealousy, egotism and repeated none-sense from other jealous less successful artists than knowledge and skill. For the record, I never cared much for his work but I recognize the happiness he spread to the populous and I'm not jealous of that. Envious... yeah, probably a bit... but I respect the happiness he spread.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Heroin makes you feel good, too. Just because it makes you feel good doesn't make it good for you.
And Hitler was nice to his dog. He couldn't have been all bad, then, according to your logic.
And no painting has ever made anyone other than the artist who painted it truly happy.

His work had no merit other than to make him a fortune. It didn't even make him happy. Very sad.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

He never held a gun to someone's head and made them buy his stuff. His work was kistchy, but people bought it of their own free will. Hell, my wife has one, much to my dismay. Though his very early work, which isn't seen much, nor sold, is relatively good in the vein of French impressionism. Nothing new or original, but better than the stuff he is known for.

So he had some talent and some skill, which he sold out for money.

Money didn't make him happy, nor did the criticism of his work, so he drank to self medicate. Actually he drank because he was an alcoholic, and for no other reason. But the bartered integrity didn't help.
There's a lesson to learn from. Not that crap he sold.

 

[zsas]

Nooooooooo Godwin's Law please, keep it on point.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGodwin's_law&ei=psWJT5f2EI6CtgfJ3dTtCQ&usg=AFQjCNH4ynBJGIpDYVpakqtBViTuFnEoqw

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Nooooooooo Godwin's Law please, keep it on point.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGodwin's_law&ei=psWJT5f2EI6CtgfJ3dTtCQ&usg=AFQjCNH4ynBJGIpDYVpakqtBViTuFnEoqw

I didn't bring up Hitler.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

The cruelty and jealousy and small-ness of mankind never ceases to amaze me...

 

[E. von Hoegh]

The cruelty and jealousy and small-ness of mankind never ceases to amaze me...

Please don't be so silly, if the man hadn't made a fortune his death wouldn't have rated more than a few lines. " Painter dies of alcoholism." There's what disgusts me about the whole deal, right there - He made a fortune, so his death is more of a tragedy than anyone who made less of a fortune. The media's representation of all the "happiness" he brought to others is crap, too.

 

[zsas]

If the man's work made people "feel good"... what more can one ask of his art? Others' "opinions" of one's work is meaningless when the artist gave so much "happiness" to so many.
[snip]
I recognize the happiness he spread to the populous and I'm not jealous of that

I agree too, I am in no place to judge his work, his art is not my cup of tea either, but I do think he spread joy to some through his artwork, and for that he should be respected, reguardless if one likes his output (although his personal doings I don't comment on, ie, lawsuits, indecency, etc).

But that does bring to mind some thoughts, does one's personal actions affect the output? Pete Rose comes to mind (not sure that is the best example...see where I am going though?)

 

[removed account4]

The cruelty and jealousy and small-ness of mankind never ceases to amaze me...

i couldn't agree with you more ...

its just like the internet, isn't it ?
miserable people critical of anyone who has any success ...


YAWN

 

[Sirius Glass]

He was not an artist. He was an unethical hack who passed off his machine made copies the he wiped a little paint on and then sold them as though they were compete hand made paintings.

To mark his passing, I would like to pass the contents of my bladder on his grave, but even that would be bestowing too much honor on him.