Are you going to answer questions straight out or continue going around in circles? Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Just provide the proof that film that has been frozen for 15, 20, 30 years (I've observed how your figures are now all over the place) is entirely useable and that the methods and means by which is is processed are available. You have not provided any proof, just bluff and bluster.
hi andre
i have worked it out, and don't shoot color film for the most part, when i do it is numbery.
if i want "authentic" color, i will do tri color, not color film and use the doohicky on my desk
to compile the image .. or i'll hand color a b/w print ...
in 10-15 years time i will fall back on something i was doing in the 1980s (and never stopped) ..
when i was in college i taught myself to coat plates ... no expensive workshops,
no internet, just a 1904 annual with a recipe ...
besides, i find it much easier to coat glass or paper, than shooting expired film ...
do you currently shoot expired film, film that was cold stored for 10-20years ?
or are you just expecting that your film will be good without a "dry run" ..
Are you going to answer questions straight out or continue going around in circles?
Are you really that lost my brother?
Are you really that lost my brother?
Andre, you don't need to question me: the spotlight is on you and what you are saying.... Please only corroborate your statements with evidence for the benefit of the wider audience here. I have asked that, you have not provided. Nothing sinister about that, only drilling for facts in a welter of flash wordiness. I have done this thousands of times before in analysis to sift fact from fiction.
if it makes you happy, that is all that counts !
Dude, I am going to bring my New England frankness to the table and say that you sound like you're a few cans short of a six pack. I wouldn't want you beside me in a fox hole. i hope you have a super high IQ - higher than mine (140) - because you'll need the extra processing power to make up for your lack of intuition and imagination.
Actually, I'm not happy at all about it. Financially I was not in a great position to take on more debt- despite my BH address, I am squarely a middle class renter. I took credit-union loans and stockpiled out of passion for the film medium. I did it with great reservation. But it's the ONLY thing to do right now. I did not stockpile high ISO films. I just need to add some 35mm color and 8x10 TXP and I'll be set.
Film photography for me is about the manipulation of time. Stretching time and events out, delaying events, appreciating events when one is emotionally and spiritually ready to assimilate them. Afterall, time is an illusion.
If the OP wants to stockpile, that's his prerogative and the merits of doing so are pretty irrelevant.
jnanian, most of the film available on today's market is cut from frozen master rolls.
You guys act like the film You buy new today, with exp date 2015 was made yesterday
Average Joe's ISO 100 films keep well.
Films like Agfa microfilms (PET base) never had expiry date, it was well known in the 80's that those film can hold at least 20 years at reasonable room conditions.
Adox CMS 20 (made by AGFA) does not have an expiry date on the box.
Anybody cared to ask Adox or AGFA about evidence?
The interested parties could read the appropriate ISO standards http://www.iso.org/
dude
i dont' question whether or not master rolls are kept frozen, or if microfilms have an expiration date ..
what i question is that consumer grade color or b/w photography film that is frozen "today by you and me"
(obviously not the same way the manufacturers are freezing theirs)
is going to be usable in 30 years.
maybe it will be .. maybe it won't .....
... i guess your stomach is stronger than mine
even i would never buy film from the freezer of someone
who claimed his / her film was frozen in a controlled environment
for 30 +/- years ... maybe if it was just "given" to me i'd use it
but probably not .. seeing in 30 years time cosmic + solar radiation
will probably increase &c to change good to bad ( even quicker than it already does )
if you bought a mountain of AZO paper, that would make it in full glory
seeing it is pretty much the only stuff that seems to last, and last, and last ...
this whole conversation is kind of funny, seeing
the world is supposed to end in just a few weeks
so i am just going to shoot my expired film and paper
like it's 1999
ISO 18928 defines storage practices for unprocessed photographic films and papers, consumer or not.
A good starting point.
jnanian, dude, ISO 18928 defines storage practices for unprocessed photographic films and papers, consumer or not.
A good starting point.
You need health tips?
Natrum phosphoricum 9c, once every other month for 1 year.
i wasn't able to download and read the tech publication.
does it say that unprocessed film and paper have a superior shelf life
of 30 years if stored in whatever conditions they recommend or that
quality diminishes after a certain amount of time ?
it is a well known and undisputed fact that cosmic radiation destroys film
does this publication say the opposite ?
i have never suggested that film and paper won't survive a long storage
in a cold environment, or even in a bedroom drawer ..
i have processed exposed film that was 80 years old
and regularly expose and use film that is 10+ years expired ...
often times the development procedures is not "standard"
like processing "new" film in d76 or HC110 to get an acceptable image ...
and most of the time people question what the point is because
it is like guessing what is inside the black box ...
the problem with this thread is that some people just want examples and proof
of film that was stored ( for a long long time ), exposed and processed
so they can judge for themselves whether or not the quality is still there,
and instead they are given storage tips ... or info on film that was not even
close to 15 or 30 years expired ... there is a huge difference between 4-7 years and 15-20
thats ok, it was just an idiom, i'm good without big pharma
hey andre
It is a GAMBLE that the film you buy today will still be good 10, 15 or 30years down the road.
Interesting. Thanks for that reference.
... and it only costs CHF58! Since I don't have a copy yet, does it specify storage durations?
Its OK, You are not the only one..i wasn't able to download and read the tech publication.
the problem with this thread is that some people just want examples and proof
of film that was stored ( for a long long time ), exposed and processed
so they can judge for themselves whether or not the quality is still there..
thanks for the info ...
these humidity controlled freezer &c ... are these freezers and controls available for everyday people to purchase and are they large enough to
hold a pallet of photographic film ?
it would not much use if freezer cost more than the pallet of film ! LOL
lucky for me i have a meat locker, but i can't really control the humidity ...
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