The deniers vs stockpilers on this thread illustrate that in life, people can be separated into two camps:
Those who realize it is their responsibility to take care of themselves and then there are those who expect that someone else is responsible for taking care of them.
This applies to everything, retirement planning, emergencies, you name it.
...Quite apart from the fact that the reality of deep freeze embrittles over the longer term, time, stains and sticks and can in all probability be rendered useless in that state....
This applies to everything, retirement planning, emergencies, you name it.
Well said!
Its good to have a few miles of film and enough paper in the freezer.
Especially when You prefer particular films and papers, no manufacturer would stand behind in the long run.
Stockpiling is for passionate and well informed folks who know the stuff You dont
what sort of "stuff" are you talking about ?
The deniers vs stockpilers on this thread illustrate that in life, people can be separated into two camps:
Those who realize it is their responsibility to take care of themselves and then there are those who expect that someone else is responsible for taking care of them.
... so does moderation (the third option). We all seem to have our personal definitions of too-much, too-little, and just-enough.
I'd rather have too much, and then sell off the excess at profit to the "too-little" and "just enough" camps years down the line.
what sort of "stuff" are you talking about ?
Good question. I'm waiting.
How to keep film in freeze and not be brittle after say 30 years.
There are simple ways to control humidity.
How to keep film in freeze and not be brittle after say 30 years.
There are simple ways to control humidity etc. etc.
We are not thinking about the effects of humidity... We are talking about the natural properties of celluloid and the stability of the emulsion.
Show me film that has been in cold storage for 30 years and just been removed. That is the challenge now, not 30 years hence.
I am serious about my photography (I am working towards being a fine art photographer)...
Am I missing anything? I know I might appear nuts, but I've thought it through.... mostly!
Can I ask that you show me the proven science that has been researched, tested, evaluated, peer-reviewed and accepted as fact (not heresy) that film will be entirely useable in 30 years from this date.
Better still, roll out the film stockpile that you ferreted away in 1980 and publish your findings.
Until we are better informed with science, and not populist opinion, then, and only then, talk about what film will be like a few decades from now.
You might also like to see a certificate from Wetzlar verifying that my Leica I is still with original shutter and parts and is working as new?
Just show me the tested, proven, published science about long-term frozen storage of film, not the piffle about Leicas. Thanks.
I'd be happy with any kind of scientific data, published or not... all I've ever heard is experiential opinion.
Serious and fine art?You better have a lifetime of extra cash (or sleep with the right people) if your goal is to make it as a fine artist. Sorry for the metaphorical dowsing of cold water, but I can't seem to find the slap across the face SNAP OUT OF IT "smiley".
None of the film I have stored will live in my freezer beyond ten years, color less than 5.
selling off fogged expired de-speeded film at a profit ? am trying to figure out how that pans out seeing i for the most part only purchase
am trying to figure out how that pans out seeing i for the most part only purchase
expired / outdated film ( and paper ), it is usually for less than paid for when new ...
and just before the film / paper would have hit the landfill.
Apparently you've haven't worked the simple calculation that in a few year's time, there will be NO color film that is not "expired/outdated". Ditto for many of the currently available, superior B&W emulsions such as Kodak TXP 320 and TX 400.
So in fact, if you're still alive, and unless you stockpile yourself you'll be buying from me (or others like me) on Ebay in 10, 15 years - I guarantee it.
hi andre
do you currently shoot expired film, film that was cold stored for 10-20years ?
or are you just expecting that your film will be good without a "dry run" ..
Sorry to turn the burner on underneath your cold water but have you considered that unlike 99% of the so called "fine art" photography out there, his might actually be good?
Actually yes, most of the color film I have shot over the past 10 years has been expired film from Calumet Hollywood's expired film bin (room temp).
I have 260 4x5 sheets of Fuji Astia Exp. 2003. Now how many guys would LOVE to shoot Astia in 4x5 sheets, even with a correctable 5cc magenta shift?
To answer your question about the FRESH film I have recently frozen, here's a metaphor: When you were a kid, did you ever hit a bump or patch of ice/gravel with your sled or bike - immediately afterward - but before you hit the ground/tree, etc - you had absolute clarity - your sole job was to mitigate your injury.
That's were we are right now with film. I feel in 10, 15, 20 years we will know more exactly which developers go best to minimize base+fog on our expired B&W films, and what exposure adjustment, what CC filter and which developer additive to add to our expired color films to minimize color shift, etc.
I feel confident I can get a useable color negative with frozen 160 ASA Kodak Portra color negative film in 20 years, yes.
Actually yes, most of the color film I have shot over the past 10 years has been expired film from Calumet Hollywood's expired film bin (room temp).
I have 260 4x5 sheets of Fuji Astia Exp. 2003. Now how many guys would LOVE to shoot Astia in 4x5 sheets, even with a correctable 5cc magenta shift?
To answer your question about the FRESH film I have recently frozen, here's a metaphor: When you were a kid, did you ever hit a bump or patch of ice/gravel with your sled or bike - immediately afterward - but before you hit the ground/tree, etc - you had absolute clarity - your sole job was to mitigate your injury.
That's were we are right now with film. I feel in 10, 15, 20 years we will know more exactly which developers go best to minimize base+fog on our expired B&W films, and what exposure adjustment, what CC filter and which developer additive to add to our expired color films to minimize color shift, etc.
I feel confident I can get a useable color negative with frozen 160 ASA Kodak Portra color negative film in 20 years, yes.
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