Thinking of getting a new 35mm SLR. Your thoughts?

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+1 suggestion from @TheFlyingCamera . I left my pentax kit and went to RTS for two reasons. Highest priority was to have a camera body that had mirror lockup MLU. It really sucks when one can use a tripod for an image and there is no MLU. Second is that I was never satisfied with images taken with my pentax 28/2.8 lens. The 50/1.4 was amazing, the 28 was disappointing. So I had to choose to go a route that had lenses I could trust (not so hard a decision) and a body that I could trust that had MLU. I love to use my RTS. I have the RTS II. I wish I had the RTS III. This all caveated by I don't really do much small format photography due to time available. When I can go out, I like more to take one of my view cameras.

BTW, Matt - I am going to the White Mountains in June to hike Carrigan, Whiteface and Passaconaway peaks to finish the 48 over 4k. Hope to bring the 8x10 and spend a couple hours at Diana's Bath, inspired by your photos of a couple years back. >michael

The RTS cameras look really great. Does anyone still service them? If So who?

Enjoy your hike and you time at Diana's Bath. When we were there the places was pretty crowded but very few people were taking pictures. Most were spending time in the water and not near any of the falls. I'm hoping to get back sometime there this year after our Bar Harbor trip.
 

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Even though I suggested the Nikon FE2, I just had a chance to handle a friend's Olympus OM2, and it was a nice camera. In aperture priority mode you dont have to mess with the shutter ring around the lens mount if that turns you off. The downsides compared to the Nikon FE are no mechanicql fallback speed if the batteries die (just carry spares), and no mirror lock up, although I hear the Olympus has extremely well damped mirror operation. Often these things come down to what camera is available and what condition, so just a thought.
 

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My thoughts - don't reach too far into history - well, Minolta SRT, Minolta XE-1, Pentax ESII, Fujicas all looks so cute and stylish, but - guts inside tend to oxidize, the batteries are no longer on the market, etc.. for a multi purpose 35 manual SLR reliability I'd choose either Minolta X-700 or late Pentax bodies or.. Contax RTSII/137MA or a dirt cheap Yashica FX-3/FX-3 2000 (I recently aquired a FX-3 pristine state for less than ..$20 and my Zeiss Planar 50/1.7 takes equally good pics on it) :smile:
 

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Even though I suggested the Nikon FE2, I just had a chance to handle a friend's Olympus OM2, and it was a nice camera. In aperture priority mode you dont have to mess with the shutter ring around the lens mount if that turns you off. The downsides compared to the Nikon FE are no mechanicql fallback speed if the batteries die (just carry spares), and no mirror lock up, although I hear the Olympus has extremely well damped mirror operation. Often these things come down to what camera is available and what condition, so just a thought.

The FE2 has also well damped mirror operation.

Many manufacturers use some some sort of device to keep mirror vibrations low. For example Canon uses a mechanical governor since the Canonflex days, Nikon used a special arrangement of the mechanism since the F days (of course, improving it with each subsequent model). Minolta has some of the smoothest cameras ever, so they also had their own way of reducing mirror vibrations.
 
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I ended up ordering a Contax RX body. Now to find a lens for it. I realize it doesn't check all my boxes but I'm looking forward to it none the less. If I decide to shoot more 35mm then I can already see that an rts III is going to be in my future.
 
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Congratulations! KEH right now has a f1.4 50mm lens in MM (multi-mode for Program) listed as EX and f1.4 in AE (auto-exposure) in EX+
 
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Congratulations! KEH right now has a f1.4 50mm lens in MM (multi-mode for Program) listed as EX and f1.4 in AE (auto-exposure) in EX+

Thanks for that I'll take a look. I have a few offers I made on lenses on ebay so once I find out what happens with that I may or may not end up going to KEH.
 

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I ended up ordering a Contax RX body. Now to find a lens for it. I realize it doesn't check all my boxes but I'm looking forward to it none the less. If I decide to shoot more 35mm then I can already see that an rts III is going to be in my future.

Wow, what a sophisticated choice!!

For lenses, keep in mind that the Yashica ML lens line is compatible and some of those lenses are really good.
Yashica's DSB lenses are the economic/inferior line.
 
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So a seller on ebay took the offer I made on Saturday for a Zeiss 50mm 1.7 that had a RTS body and winder attached to it for not much more than the 50 1.7 goes for alone. So looks like I end up with 2 Contax cameras and a lens.
 

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So a seller on ebay took the offer I made on Saturday for a Zeiss 50mm 1.7 that had a RTS body and winder attached to it for not much more than the 50 1.7 goes for alone. So looks like I end up with 2 Contax cameras and a lens.

Great!

If you are into the C/Y system, consider also getting a Yasica FR-1 camera. It is a very good camera, in some senses almost pro-grade.
 
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Great!

If you are into the C/Y system, consider also getting a Yasica FR-1 camera. It is a very good camera, in some senses almost pro-grade.

Interesting. I will read up about it in case I decide to get another 35mm camera.
 
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And if you want to go truely insane you can try the Contax AX >;-)

Don't think it wasn't considered. :smile: However afer reading some reviews I figured while a cool concept the money would better be spend on the RX or RTS or both.
 

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...I just checked evilbay and nice working ones seem to go for as low as 250 euros..... add another 200 for a Zeiss 50 1.4...... salary day is on friday....must......resist.....already have a full Leica R set...NOOOOOOO :-/

This will end badly.
 
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I won my bid for a Zeiss 35-70 3.4. So 2 cameras and 2 lenses. No more purchases for a while I swear.
 

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Why did Kyocera call Yashicas, Contax? And all these "Zeiss" lenses made in Japan. Yashica always made a damn good camera, why did they hide behind a German name? Always seemed silly, like a Cosina Nikon or a Cosina Voigtlander.
I would have got a mint Nikon F2A and bought a extra plain prism. 50 1.4 , 85 1.4. Chrome no black body.

No battery, know photography :smile: Hey I like that!

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Mike, I'm pretty sure Kyocera bought Yashica after the Contax deal. From what I understand, Yashica and Zeiss hammered out a deal where Yashica would build Zeiss lenses to Zeiss specifications and Zeiss also went along with the idea of producing a new (at the time) series of Contax SLRs for these lenses. This occurred during the early 80s, if memory serves.

Nikon realized there was still a student market for 35mm cameras, so rather than tie up their own production facilities, they handed it off to Cosina. Voigtlander had Cosina build its M-mount rangefinder because they knew it would cost thousands less if built in Japan and not Germany, hence the camera would have a better chance of selling. At least that's my take on it.

I'd rather have a pretty F2S (cuz it's cheaper than an SB or AS) so I'd have the slow shutter speed metering. Only the S, SB and AS have this feature.
 
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Why did Kyocera call Yashicas, Contax? And all these "Zeiss" lenses made in Japan. Yashica always made a damn good camera, why did they hide behind a German name?

the Contax/Yashica system really was a cooperative between Zeiss Germany and Yashica(later Kyocera), the lenses where designed by Zeiss West-Germany with most being made by Kyocera in Japan, some lenses (the 28/2, 15/3.5, probably more) were built by Zeiss in Germany.

As 'Zeiss' as it gets, or are Leica lenses in Canada also "Leica" ? I think there is a Noctilux somewhere that wants a talk with you in that case.

Very different situation to Voightlander, which only existed as a name owned by a german distributor. Cosina aquired a license to use it in the late 90s but it has otherwise nothing to do with the old german company, the lenses are still awesome however :smile:
 

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the Contax/Yashica system really was a cooperative between Zeiss Germany and Yashica(later Kyocera), the lenses where designed by Zeiss West-Germany with most being made by Kyocera in Japan, some lenses (the 28/2, 15/3.5, probably more) were built by Zeiss in Germany.

As 'Zeiss' as it gets, or are Leica lenses in Canada also "Leica" ? I think there is a Noctilux somewhere that wants a talk with you in that case.

Very different situation to Voightlander, which only existed as a name owned by a german distributor. Cosina aquired a license to use it in the late 90s but it has otherwise nothing to do with the old german company, the lenses are still awesome however :smile:
I understand (not having used them personally) the Japanese made Contaxes and their lenses are indeed, excellent, but I think, in the case of "as Zeiss as it gets", that, my 1936 Dresden-made Contax and its Jena lens would both like a talk with you, actually. :wink:

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I won my bid for a Zeiss 35-70 3.4. So 2 cameras and 2 lenses. No more purchases for a while I swear.
Here is a another option for you convert one of your cameras to use adapted lenses using a adapter and get old vintage glass that is cheap..IE M42 screw mount Takumars, yashicas, chinon lenses. Be wary though old vintage takumars have thorium in the lenses that will taint it yellow so you would have to put it in direct sunlight for a few days to clear up the glass again from the UV.
 
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Here is a another option for you convert one of your cameras to use adapted lenses using a adapter and get old vintage glass that is cheap..IE M42 screw mount Takumars, yashicas, chinon lenses. Be wary though old vintage takumars have thorium in the lenses that will taint it yellow so you would have to put it in direct sunlight for a few days to clear up the glass again from the UV.

I plan to get a C/Y to M42 adapter eventually to use projection lenses and a few of my Pentacon Six lenses with the cameras. However I figure that will be down the road a little ways. All my projection lenses are longer focal lengths than I'd need for 35mm.
 

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I understand (not having used them personally) the Japanese made Contaxes and their lenses are indeed, excellent, but I think, in the case of "as Zeiss as it gets", that, my 1936 Dresden-made Contax and its Jena lens would both like a talk with you, actually. :wink:

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I don't mean to put down the modern Contax cameras, Yashica/Kyocera make excellent products. The Cosina lenses are really quite nice. I guess I never could understand "Branding" I worked for 20 years at Amana Refrigeration in Iowa. We were bought 4 times while I was there. Whirlpool still makes a LOT of product there, the Engineering has all been moved to other sites. Over the years we made product labeled Amana, Maytag, Kitchenaid, Whirlpool, GE, Viking, Dacor, Jenn Air, etc. We bought product from Electrolux and had it branded Amana.
I think Tamron makes a heck of a lot of Nikon lenses. Who makes what digital camera these days is anyone's guess.

In the trade putting a old well respected name on sourced product is called "Whoring the Meatball" i.e. putting a Leica red logo on any old thing.
Mike
 

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I won my bid for a Zeiss 35-70 3.4. So 2 cameras and 2 lenses. No more purchases for a while I swear.
The 35-70 is one of the best, most versatile lenses in the Contax lineup. I had one for years and it practically lived on the camera, only coming off for shooting extreme wide-angle stuff (I had a Sigma 18-35), longer telephoto and/or low-light (the 80-200 or the 85 1.4). It has terrific macro capability - 1:2.5 or 1:3 IIRC - and will let you do some very nice closeups of flowers and the like. I don't know where the print is that I made from looking straight down into a tulip blossom, shot wide open, but if I can find it I'll frame it and hang it somewhere in the house. It's a 16x20. That lens is that good.
 
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The 35-70 is one of the best, most versatile lenses in the Contax lineup. I had one for years and it practically lived on the camera, only coming off for shooting extreme wide-angle stuff (I had a Sigma 18-35), longer telephoto and/or low-light (the 80-200 or the 85 1.4). It has terrific macro capability - 1:2.5 or 1:3 IIRC - and will let you do some very nice closeups of flowers and the like. I don't know where the print is that I made from looking straight down into a tulip blossom, shot wide open, but if I can find it I'll frame it and hang it somewhere in the house. It's a 16x20. That lens is that good.

From what I've read on the 35-70 it is highly recommended and the photos I saw online with it looked great. Was the 80-200 the Vario-Sonnar or one of the other 80-200s? If it was the Sonnar what did you think of it?
 
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