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Robins's book is a great testimony to his standing in the photographic industry. There is no technical information included. It is a personal view of the photographs contained in the book. Each print has just a few words - maybe 2 or 3 sentences - about his thoughts of the print. Or a small cameo about the photographer who he may know as a friend. It is a refreshingly different photographic book with world renown photographer's work for your enjoyment. Nothing more.
 

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Robins's book is a great testimony to his standing in the photographic industry. There is no technical information included. It is a personal view of the photographs contained in the book. Each print has just a few words - maybe 2 or 3 sentences - about his thoughts of the print. Or a small cameo about the photographer who he may know as a friend. It is a refreshingly different photographic book with world renown photographer's work for your enjoyment. Nothing more.

Robin's book arrived today...and I can tell you that even upon a quick peek, it will be one of my favorites. This book is a treasure chest for printers and photographers alike.
 

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For those who appreciate this and the fact that Robin is still printing, perhaps get a print or two made? It is not cheap but maybe you cannot print to 20x16 in your darkroom but have a print screaming out to be bigger, or something really tough you have not been able to print well?

I have worked with him on my current project and his support has been fantastic. The man really knows what he is doing and, yes, he has printed a vast amount of iconic work and continues to do so for collections all over the place.

Lets support him!
 

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For those who appreciate this and the fact that Robin is still printing, perhaps get a print or two made? It is not cheap but maybe you cannot print to 20x16 in your darkroom but have a print screaming out to be bigger, or something really tough you have not been able to print well?

This was one question that popped up when I saw his video. Is 16x20", or more likely 20x24", the biggest Robin prints? I understand there are issues with bigger sizes (20x24" is the biggest most enlargers will do in their normal vertical setup, and about the biggest processable in normal trays), and certainly the darkroom setup we saw in this video, wouldn't allow for bigger, but I wonder...
 

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For those who appreciate this and the fact that Robin is still printing, perhaps get a print or two made? It is not cheap but maybe you cannot print to 20x16 in your darkroom but have a print screaming out to be bigger, or something really tough you have not been able to print well?

I have worked with him on my current project and his support has been fantastic. The man really knows what he is doing and, yes, he has printed a vast amount of iconic work and continues to do so for collections all over the place.

Lets support him!

How much $?
 

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Yeah those prices are quite reasonable. Although I find the Se toning (100% the price) to be a bit nuts the rest look fairly reasonable.
 

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Yeah those prices are quite reasonable. Although I find the Se toning (100% the price) to be a bit nuts the rest look fairly reasonable.

I was about to say pretty much the same regarding the toning, but I am sure that Robin has plenty of clients who are more than willing to dig a little deeper for those services. There is no denying the quality of his work; the man truly is a master printer.
 

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True, but it might be a bit daft to ask "Hey Robin, you mind printing a 1/6th lighter and 1/4 grade more open so I can Selenium tone it at home?" :D
 

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Hmm, personally I would like to see Robin Bell interpret several negatives of different formats; a straight print and then Robin's interpretation(s). Some of those negatives should be difficult

Having interviewed a number of master printers, Robin included, I think I can fairly safely say that none of them would ever admit to having to work on 'difficult negatives'.

Firstly, as a commercial printer, it's not a good idea to tell a client that his/her negatives are 'difficult', it's tantamount to saying their exposures are poor. Besides, remember that a lot of printers will be processing the films they print from, too, making it the printer's job to compensate for poor exposures. Robin, for instance, knows the foibles of his clients and will often over or under develop as a matter of course - because he knows, say, that photographer 'x' underexposes by one stop etc. Or, the photographer will often ask for a sacrificial 'clip test' prior to developing a batch of film to confirm the development time.

Secondly, master printers like Robin tend to be, quite rightly, proud of their abilities in the darkroom - they simply won't admit to the existence of 'difficult negatives'. To do so might undermine their competence.

I'd echo what Tom Stanworth says. Get Robin to print something for you and not only will you get a great print, it's likely that he'll reveal something you hadn't noticed. He's an amazing printer - in my opinion probably the best in the UK - and his passion for what he does is quite inspirational. He's also a top bloke (but don't let him know I said that). Many world famous photographers rely on his abilities to showcase their work and he deserves much greater credit.
 

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You're absolutely right, it is, Tom. But when I conducted the 'Master Printers' interviews for B&W not one printer would ever admit to having a difficult negative. It was the only question that not one printer would answer - absolute blank refusal. It was actually a problem from my perspective because 'difficult negatives' are the staple fodder of B&W. I guess you could say that the photographer/printer relationship is sacrosanct and it would be unprofessional to talk out of turn.

Off the record, some high earning, world famous, photographers know nothing about exposure and barely know one end of a camera from the other. They rely completely on minions to do the difficult bits...
 

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You're absolutely right, it is, Tom. But when I conducted the 'Master Printers' interviews for B&W not one printer would ever admit to having a difficult negative. It was the only question that not one printer would answer - absolute blank refusal. It was actually a problem from my perspective because 'difficult negatives' are the staple fodder of B&W. I guess you could say that the photographer/printer relationship is sacrosanct and it would be unprofessional to talk out of turn.

Not UK based but I seem to recall Bob Carnie of Elevator (Toronto, Canada) admitting on APUG that some photographer's negatives are difficult to print.

Off the record, some high earning, world famous, photographers know nothing about exposure and barely know one end of a camera from the other. They rely completely on minions to do the difficult bits...

How do you think this situation arises (the lack of knowledge)?

Tom
 

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I can't speak for everyone, just those I interviewed. But, it was a firm 'no' in all cases.

As for how. Luck... Having the right contacts and a substantial trust fund... etc etc... I've often been approached by recent graduates who, having been spotted by an agency, approach me to backwards engineer their degree show pictures - because they don't have the confidence to reproduce exactly what they've done before. It doesn't always mean they're incompetent, just inexperienced and they don't want anything to go wrong. I've also been hired to stand at the back of a shoot to provide technical back up for a 'creative' who knows what they want in terms of pictures, but doesn't have a clue how to do it.

I think this is one of the problems that APUG is up against ; photography is no longer considered as an esoteric skill, just a competence that can be bought. Who needs to learn how to do the technical bits when there are silly people, like me, who've already done the hard work?
 

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You're absolutely right, it is, Tom. But when I conducted the 'Master Printers' interviews for B&W not one printer would ever admit to having a difficult negative. It was the only question that not one printer would answer - absolute blank refusal. It was actually a problem from my perspective because 'difficult negatives' are the staple fodder of B&W. I guess you could say that the photographer/printer relationship is sacrosanct and it would be unprofessional to talk out of turn.

It was a great series Jerry

I was sorry when it came to an end.

I read and re-read all the articles trying to glean what I could out of them.

The Top Tips section was a particularly nice touch

Martin
 

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Robin openly admits that he 'loves a challenge' and I am sure difficult negs are a constant across the board so all printers see the full gammut. When I first started working with Robin I asked him about my negatives and explained that I can adjust development and exposure in any direction if he felt it would help him get better prints. When he said 'no, they are in the middle of just right' I thought he was being kind until he showed me some of the negs he has to work with, including some from big names. Oh, boy.... We all make c0ck ups and have some great images on less than perfect negs, but Robin will work very hard to tease out the best. He is not a functional printer. He loves what he does and is passionate about it and you see the result in the prints. He definitely connects to work.
 

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It was a great series Jerry

I was sorry when it came to an end.

I read and re-read all the articles trying to glean what I could out of them.

The Top Tips section was a particularly nice touch

Marti
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Thank you Martin, it's very kind of you to say so. Some of those I interviewed are now also Ilford Masters and have become friends. Mike Crawford is particularly knowledgeable on the chemistry side and I always recommend his books to beginners. He doesn't use precisely the same methods as I do but they work just as well as mine (if not better) and his instructions are always clear and easy to follow - unlike a lot of better known how-to photography books. Steve MacLeod is also most impressive in his technical know how and sheer capacity to take on huge projects - such as the analogue/digital printer he more or less created for Bailey - also a great teacher and very committed to passing on the skills. I think he'd be brilliant running university photography department.
Another guy I have a lot of time for, who I didn't write about but met through Ilford, is Andrew Sanderson. He's also a good writer and teacher with interesting things to say (a polite way of saying he's from Yorkshire) and highly skilled in the darkroom.

It's a long time since the interviews now, but I'm happy to attempt to fill in gaps if you have any questions. I have a few top tips of my own, too...

Regards
Jerry
 

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Are the interviews available on the web somewhere or in pdf form?
 

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Having been 'done' by Jerry for Black and White Photography with my friend Gaby, I have to say it was a very good series of articles. (However, looking back seven years later, it does make me a bit melencholic as sadly our industry is somewhat reduced now!) I don't remember too much about problem negatives in the interview, but as a professional printer, I am more than happy to confirm that 'difficult negs' are part of the job. Perhaps we are not so open about such things with our clients. Yes they can certainly be a bit of a challenge, but sometimes they will be OK to print because their limitations force the print to be done in a certain way, whereas a good tonal negative offers many possible interpretations. Having said that, a printer has to of course take into consideration how the photographer wants his or her work to be realised. Would be good Jerry to put together your articles in some format though sadly I think there would be too many issues with image rights.

While I'm here, hats off to Robin for the book. A very good chap, great printer, excellent photographs and nice to see a darkroom monkey take center stage for once!
 

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Mike,

Do you think there is a space for a better traditional and hybrid magazine now that B&W has gone downhill and the other publications are somewhat inconsistent? - Martin Reed suggested something along these lines earlier in the year...

Tom
 

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Mike,

Do you think there is a space for a better traditional and hybrid magazine now that B&W has gone downhill and the other publications are somewhat inconsistent? - Martin Reed suggested something along these lines earlier in the year...

Tom

To be honest I'm more interested in reading a magazine which is purely about photography and the work of photographers. Whatever medium they use, be it film or digital, for me is secondary to the content of their work. I really like the changes to the British Journal of Photography and highly rate the new monthly format. Also, the quality in reproduction has been greatly improved. Website is good too.
http://www.bjp-online.com/
 
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