I don;t understand the arguments about this. Better and more desirable products get marked up more all other things remaining equal including cost to manufacture. Do you want Mercedes to charge the same as Toyota? I just don't understand what the disagreement is about. If you can't afford a Mercedes, get a Toyota. Complaining that Mercedes charges too much is not how the world works. Do you think Leica cares about your arguments?
I don;t understand the arguments about this. Better and more desirable products get marked up more all other things remaining equal including cost to manufacture. Do you want Mercedes to charge the same as Toyota? I just don't understand what the disagreement is about. If you can't afford a Mercedes, get a Toyota. Complaining that Mercedes charges too much is not how the world works. Do you think Leica cares about your arguments?
I just bought Velvia 4x5 20 sheets at $145. Provia costs $90. In 35mm Velvia is $18.49 and Provia is $17. No one twisted my arm to pay 60% more for Velvia than Provia (both Fuji products). The whole world is full of different proce stuff that's similar. What are you suggesting that we have a command economy where prices are government controlled? That's what I'm hearing. If pricing was the same for all similar products, you wind up with a economy that produces crappy products. No one has the incentive to make better things.Both Porta 120 and Portra 8x10 are the same 80sq inch Mercedes
Same car, a 200% price... Would you like that?
Anyway those "stock rotation" costs are minor compared to the 250% overprice, look: a 50 sheet box of Fomapan 100 has a similar price than a Kodak 10 sheet BW box, with exactly the same retailer (Fotoimpex) in the Foma case sheets are (per surface) well cheaper than 35mm while in the Kodak case LF price is 200% of same 35mm film.
Unless you're a psychiatrist, you will never get inside the mind of those who obsess irrationally.I don;t understand the arguments about this...
Having purchased new vehicles from both manufacturers, my answer is no. Given Mercedes' far lower quality, it would have to almost give the cars away for me to consider owning one again. I often said of my Mercedes that it would be nice for Daimler to have done top level design, with Toyota completing detailed design and then building the cars....Do you want Mercedes to charge the same as Toyota?...
If the products in question are so comparable that you expect them to be able to follow basically the same price model, why worry about Kodak's prices when you could just use Foma for a fraction of the price?
I just bought Velvia 4x5 20 sheets at $145. Provia costs $90. In 35mm Velvia is $18.49 and Provia is $17. No one twisted my arm to pay 60% more for Velvia than Provia (both Fuji products). The whole world is full of different proce stuff that's similar. What are you suggesting that we have a command economy where prices are government controlled? That's what I'm hearing. If pricing was the same for all similar products, you wind up with a economy that produces crappy products. No one has the incentive to make better things.
I solved it by using a 6x9cm roll film back, $1 per Portra shot, and to hell with expensive CN sheets.
Might as well shoot digital if that's the case!Another advantage is that you probably will see the image in a TV
That's your choice to go with 6x9 because you can afford it - and that's fine -
it just didn't need dressed up in a multi-page whine at Kodak aimed at aggrandising yourself, your abilities or knowledge beyond actuality.
Might as well shoot digital if that's the case!
So the ignored one is being true to form. And those who engage continue to accrue flat spot on their heads. Advice: use the ignore function! It works, both to immediately purge one's screen of nonsense and, over time, if everyone uses it, to make absurd posts stop happening....a multi-page whine at Kodak aimed at aggrandising yourself, your abilities or knowledge beyond actuality.
Not much at all. In fact, currently my only interest in color film is C41 because I can fairly easily print it.What do you do with 4x5 velvia shots ?
And I agree that 6x9cm comes quite close to 4x5" in quality, but I personally don't like the act of removing the back from a 4x5 to mount a roll film holder. A sheet film holder is a bit more convenient/quick to slide in.
Not to mention my enlarger only goes up to 5x7 anyway!
Yeah, a sliding back would help for sure. But I find that when I shoot 120 film its 95% of the time in a MF camera and I use the 4x5's mostly for B&W work. Maybe if I come across one of those sliding backs one day - who knows? Although I suspect I'd sooner lean towards a texas leica for 6x9cm. More convenient.
Price is always based on what people are willing to pay for it.I knew the price hike was coming and I accept it as necessary. In smaller formats it's not sooo bad. Film at least in the quantities that I shoot it is affordable for me. And I shoot everything on film.
The exception to this is 8x10 film. According to Freestyle Portra 400 is listed at $248, and with an instant rebate $224, for 10 measly sheets. Sure it's a different base with a different economy of scale but a roll of 35mm at 36exp is slightly less than $11 per roll, and slightly less than $50 for 5. Scaling that up to 10 is just under $100 of course, and that comes with little plastic cases, a metal cartridge, and sprocket holes. 8x10 sheet film has a different base, but it just comes in a nice cardboard box. So how is it more than double the price?
At it's current price, Portra 400 is more than color Polaroid 8x10 film...by a lot! I really don't understand what is happening here. I get that the economy of scale is very different, but this is a little outrageous.
Portra 160 is mercefully currently at $188. Fuji Provia is $300, but you get 20 sheets. So $150 for 10, and since when is chrome cheaper than color neg?
Just ranting a bit here. I love 8x10 but at this price, 4x5 and 5x7 will have to do. I can't imagine how ULF shooters are dealing with this.
And I agree that 6x9cm comes quite close to 4x5" in quality, but I personally don't like the act of removing the back from a 4x5 to mount a roll film holder. A sheet film holder is a bit more convenient/quick to slide in.
Although I suspect I'd sooner lean towards a texas leica for 6x9cm. More convenient.
So the ignored one is being true to form. And those who engage continue to accrue flat spot on their heads. Advice: use the ignore function! It works, both to immediately purge one's screen of nonsense and, over time, if everyone uses it, to make absurd posts stop happening.
By using the Ignore function, I've managed to turn my viewing this thread into a truly Monty Pythonesque experience.
I thank you all!
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