In 1948, when I was 10 years old, my grandfather gave me his old speed graphic, and a film pack of ansco super press ortho. His comment on seeing the results: hmm, better give you one sheet film holder so that you will slow down and think more about what you are shooting.
Question.
So do you take better photos with a Pin hole camera? Or even a Pin hole camera with plates?
Technically everything is 'technology'.
Re: Original post, maybe it appears to work out that way sometimes. Maybe it's because I cut my teeth on film and Sunny-16 (50+ years ago!) -- I think it's mostly working method. There is no requirement that one utilize the 5 frames per minute of a d!git@l thing, nor is it mandatory to use auto exposure or auto focus, just because the capability is there. And you can still disagree with the camera and tweak. Perhaps having the auto-everything mode tends to make us a bit careless in the things that can't be automated -- like composition, angle of lighting, etc., but one can guard against that. I've had work accepted in juried shows from many of my cameras. A year or so back, a shot on a roll that was a test of a newly acquired camera snagged me a nice prize -- even when I'm just testing mechanics or film, I like to pick an interesting location and give a little thought and consideration to what's happening in the viewfinder.
My associate photographer makes very few images at each wedding we work. Clients love it!
"I've got a lot of negatives of basically nothing to show in my binders"
Can't believe that.
I like this:
The camera catches light. The photographer catches life.
I do have some keepers. And some are quite good. But there really is a lot of junk in there. Some of it with a capital J.
I think that Dave has "hit the nail on the head" the operative word is " thought" the automation makes decisions so quickly that there is no chance to use your experience and think, no that can't be right I'll give it another stop, one of the results of the democratisation of photography with the increased use of automation both for film and digital photography is there's a whole generation of camera users out there who know or care nothing about exposure, depth of field, composition, etc. and if the automation can't come up with the right answer are lost.
I wasn't under the impression that it had. I thought it was a greater/lesser technology discussion, and the effect of those on resulting photographs.
I'm a lesser tech kind of guy photographically. My sense was that I had not been allowing technology get in the way of my vision. (Modest though that may be, as I am far from an artist.)
But Allen has raised a very interesting argument which suggests that I may be doing just that without even realizing it. I'm still chewing over his last post.
But I didn't think film versus digital had much to do with it. Did I miss something? (Wouldn't be a first, for sure.)
Ken
When I was shooting digital, my photos were awful.
I do think this is the reason we see so much crap from digital. The light doesn't know if it's hitting a silver halide crystal or a cmos sensor. (At least I don't think it knows; but some of the wave/particle duality experiments are unnerving.)
But the lack of necessity to "get it right" with the freedom to delete fails to encourage composition. Rather than thinking "let's try to get a picture that looks like this" you're thinking "let's take a picture and see if it comes out."
MB
Oy.
Photography is among the most technological of the arts. Without technology, we don't have photography. Of any kind.
Don't be thinking that analog film photography isn't technological either. It takes an amazing amount of engineering and resources to produce film. See the book: Making Kodak Film by Robert Shanebrook.
It's not the technology. Technology doesn't make photographs; photographers do. The technology is just a tool. What you do with it is up to you.
...Your words are that of a bigot and someone that wrongfully thinks a great picture is just a matter of what medium was used to make it.... hmm, better give you one sheet film holder so that you will slow down and think more about what you are shooting. Well that worked, pictures improved...
The light doesn't know if it's hitting a silver halide crystal or a cmos sensor.
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It's about the picture!
It's about the picture!
Never about the medium.
This.
Poor photographs are your own fault. Not digital's or advanced analogue cameras with whizbangs and whistles.
Don't have a cow, man. :confused:
You actually quoted the line that says I agree with you. Except I said it first, so you agree with me.
I don't care if you use charcoal from burnt sticks on a cave wall.
(And yes, growing up with an artist in the house I *HAVE* used charcoal from burnt sticks, but never on a cave wall. And it isn't about the picture. It's about conveying an emotion or message. A lot of technically great pictures fall flat.)
Mike, can I have what Silver Glow and premo are smokin"?
Man, can't we just all get a bong?
Steve
Picture quality has NOTHING to do with shooting film or digital.
The composition has NOTHING to do with shooting film or digital.
What makes a great picture has NOTHING to do with technology.
None whatsoever.
To make a great picture, one must envision and capture a great composition. How one does this, what one uses to capture the light is irrelevent.
Only the closed minded, ignorant, religious, subjective, and xenophobic think the media matters.
If you make a bad picture, it is all your fault and never technology's , nor the media you use.
You can make great art with very low and very high technology.
It seems people are dead set on demonizing technology, digital, or anything they don't like or understand.
IT'S ALL GOOD....It's about the COMPOSITION! Nothing else....
Here: Tri-X, 35mm, Canon 1V SLR, 35mm F1.4 prime lens....
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