The importance of forms, composition, muscle memory

[Saganich]

Or you could just be presenting them to the wrong audience. No matter how good an opera singer might be, if they get up on stage at a heavy metal concert and start belting out "O mio babbino caro", they're probably not going to get a lot of positive feedback.

I think Dio just stirred from beyond

 

[NB23]

Actually for a piece of work to be Good, it has to, at the very least, Transcend. Absolutely no one should be left cold.

Even the opera singer, if good, would get applause in front of any audience, and I am not even being pedantic. Good is good, and good is universal. And a good opera is a Hardcore musical and visual venture.
And if I drift a little further; all heavy metal fans Like Pavarotti, and all opera fans do sing and appreciate Back in Black. And then you have the extra great London philharmonic Pink Floyd remake. You should hear that, jaw drop guarantee.

A good melody is transcending. Any opera afficionado or motorhead will agree that a good jingle is a good jingle. Damn, I still sing the flintstones 40 years later.


Same for photography, like’em or not, any Bruce Gilden image is pretty much transcending across generational board; anyone and everyone will make a comment.

Transcending is the difficult part, the tip of the iceberg. The 0.01%. Faqing hard.

 

[Vaughn]

IMO, the transcending, or the attempt to transcend, can be considered the mark of the artist.

Some other photographers prefer to make the best image/prints they can...which is cool. And some photographers just like to be busy.

All good.

 

[NB23]

IMO, the transcending, or the attempt to transcend, can be considered the mark of the artist.

Some other photographers prefer to make the best image/prints they can...which is cool. And some photographers just like to be busy.

All good.

I disagree in the sense that it is not an artist who decides if and how his creation transcends or not.

If it’s good, it transcends. If it’s not good, its doesn’t.

 

[Ariston]

It think it is all subjective. There is a lot of modern music that MANY people agree is very good and transcendent, but I am not persuaded.

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

Actually for a piece of work to be Good, it has to, at the very least, Transcend. Absolutely no one should be left cold.

Even the opera singer, if good, would get applause in front of any audience, and I am not even being pedantic. Good is good, and good is universal. And a good opera is a Hardcore musical and visual venture.
And if I drift a little further; all heavy metal fans Like Pavarotti, and all opera fans do sing and appreciate Back in Black. And then you have the extra great London philharmonic Pink Floyd remake. You should hear that, jaw drop guarantee.

A good melody is transcending. Any opera afficionado or motorhead will agree that a good jingle is a good jingle. Damn, I still sing the flintstones 40 years later.


Same for photography, like’em or not, any Bruce Gilden image is pretty much transcending across generational board; anyone and everyone will make a comment.

Transcending is the difficult part, the tip of the iceberg. The 0.01%. Faqing hard.

It's not that a metalhead wouldn't appreciate opera singing - it's a matter of audience. Ditto a photography exhibit- if I respond to a call for entries requesting landscape photos, and I submit a nude, it could be the most sublime nude in the history of photography, but it's going to fall on closed eyes.

 

[cliveh]

After having shot professionally for a few decades, intensely, and having been passionate about street photography for more than 3 decades now, and equally having spent those 3 decades in the darkroom, I have acquired many chronic physical ailments directly linked to my life with cameras: a lower left shoulder thanks to my camera bag filled with gear.
A kyphosis, with a misplaced disk thanks to wearing cameras around my next (a thing one should ALWAYS avoid at all Cost! Please listen to this!), and also because of the required posture in the darkroom, always looking down. Text neck doesn’t help in this regard. A slightly squinting eye, and a few more. Many here will relate to the above, I’m sure.

Perhaps if you only used one camera with one lens and design your darkroom to suit your height and posture, you would not have this problem?

 

[NB23]

Perhaps if you only used one camera with one lens and design your darkroom to suit your height and posture, you would not have this problem?

In an ideal world my trays would be at chin level. And my enlarger at chest level.

 

[Vaughn]

I disagree in the sense that it is not an artist who decides if and how his creation transcends or not.

If it’s good, it transcends. If it’s not good, its doesn’t.

I agree -- I am referring to the desire to transcend. Only the artist know if they have transcended...the work is just the vehicle.

Transcend -- one of Hesse's favorite words.