Well, for one, I have no way to project 4x5 and 8x10 transparencies.
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Well, for one, I have no way to project 4x5 and 8x10 transparencies.
I bet those 8 x 10's look beautiful though!
Yep! That's why I'm struggling with the decision of buying more and freezing for future use. At about $350-400 US a box for 20 sheets, I wouldn't want several boxes in storage that can't be processed because access to any E-6 processing is gone. I'd like to think E-6 kits might stay around for awhile even after labs stop processing it, but who knows? It would break my heart to simply toss it all in the trash!
For a long, long time we'll-crafted slides were the only submission that would be accepted for many magazines and publications e.g. National Geographic. Send in a bunch of inverted, orange or brown negatives and they would either end up on the editorial room cutting floor or a rejection slip would be posted out -- sometimes both.
And slides have been not just stuffed into a dusty Pradovit for a family sit-down and look-see, but also printed commercially since at least 1963, and by hobbyists still before then. So there was really no such thing as asserting slides had one and only one use. That has never been true.
Exactly! I shoot slides for projection (but I also scan my slides. why not?)
Fuji is abandoning the market and Kodak is reentering the market.
Interesting comment, considering the discussion here with a Fuji representative yesterday who painted a very, very, very different picture of the outlook to the rampant conjecture here on APUG/Photrio. I will be seeing him again next Tuesday.
Good then you need to make sure that he and his company are aimed the right way.
Fuji killed off their entire line B&W films, so I'll no longer buy anything from them - unless there is no substitute available. I primarily shoot Ilford for B&W (with a smattering of Kodak TMax and their C 41 films). I haven't shot slides in a while because I shoot 120, and I've already given up on Fuji.
This warms my heart! Please keep us informed!
I wonder though, if HQ would tell their reps about a possible discontinuation of an entire business line.
Yeah, reps aren't really going to be a reliable source. If Fuji is planning to stay in the (non-instax) film business communication from up top would be nice
And less crap talk here on APUG/Photrio wouldn't go astray either!
Aiden will not be a reliable source for your part of the world -- we are in Oceania. For your area -- USA/North America, go through your own respective local distributive channel, if you have professional affiliation and they are receptive to an audience. This advice also applies to Europe. I have no idea at all what the Fujifilm situation is in Europe and doubtless the market varies by global region.
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Several months (or was it a few years) ago there was "crap talk" about Fuji here on photrio, about FP100C being discontinued. I immediately rushed to my local brick&mortar photographic supplies store and raided their shelves. When the guy asked me why I would hoard FP100C, I told him about the rumors and he laughed at me "my supplier has not told me of any plans to discontinue FP100C!". Well, we know how that went. These Fuji sales reps may have a broader view of the market than most here have, but sometimes they are completely blind sided by their own company.And less crap talk here on APUG/Photrio wouldn't go astray either!
PS: hours after I raided the shelves for remaining FP100C stock, prices were marked up by 30% and last stock was gone within days even at those inflated prices.
Sorry, but your rep is completely clueless. Fujifilm's actions are transparently clear. They have been discontinuing films at a pretty good clip. They have not uttered one word of support for the future of their films. Nothing. At. All. Some insignificant rep is not privy to *any* information that is relevant to the future of film.
Fujifilm cannot discontinue films at this rate and keep their plant running. It can't be done. There's no economy of scale whatsoever. Fujifilm has only one interest in film and that's INSTAX.
Yep. Spot on. Fujifilm will mislead their customers with reckless abandon, and then finally in the end just abandon them. No matter how faithful a customer you were to Fujifilm, they simply do not care.
I accept that Fuji doesn't care about me. I will cease caring about Fuji once they no longer make Provia 400X and Astia. Oops, scratch that! Ok, once they quit making FP100C and Acros. Oops again! Ok then, once they discontinue Velvia 100! What a beautiful film!
You know, RattyMouse, we should really quit caring about Fuji, but we should also quit whining about their discontinued films and just enjoy the existing ones while they last (in my freezer at least).
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Quit griping about Fuji unless you create a level playing for a lot of other mfg corporations who behave the same way. You might be loyal to them; but they're loyal only to their stockholders, and sometimes not even to them. And a change in management, or a merger, can end otherwise reliable sourcing. It's just how the world
works. Buy a film freezer and hope that someone will honor its warranty.
works. Buy a film freezer and hope that someone will honor its warranty.
Fuji DOES "care" .... they prove that by designing and selling fabulous digital cameras. They're into photography, not antiquity.
I don't hold it against them, but Fuji cares about the bottom line more than anything. Like any other publicly traded company. So why expect them to continue making film if the margins are low or non-existent? Now that they stopped producing the easiest to manufacture film, how can you expect them to continue making complex films in large factories to service diminishing demands? Basic economics guys. First large format is discontinued, then the line is cutoff. Will it take another year or two? Maybe, but they're going away.
Another word on Fuji - I'm finding it increasing difficult to buy basic Fuji films like C200 and Superia 400 X-Tra at brick and mortar shops in the UK, when they used to be plentiful about a year ago. Most just stock Kodak and Ilford now.
Feels like Fuji are drip feeding the UK remaining stocks now.
Feels like Fuji are drip feeding the UK remaining stocks now.
I can not really look into their minds, but "Hey, if we discontinue Velvia 100 they'll all buy our digital cameras - we'll make billions, maybe even millions!" is probably not what they think right now ... at least I hope not.
I rarely concur with RattyMouse here on photrio, but a good mountain bike does look more attractive to me right now than all of Fuji's digital offerings.
I really liked the Fuji X-PRO2 and the cameras before that, and I'm thankful for having owned them. While the X-PRO2 and the size of some of its predecessors indicated a clear idea of what they thought and uniquely so, they veered off the path when it came to lenses. Many do.
I found many just didn't work for me, and abandoned the whole line shortly after discovering Contax CY mounted Zeiss were sweet on the frame. Picked up a Sony and dropped Fuji for good. No regrets. Don't think Fuji's been all that profitable in its photography period, but haven't checked in some time. Sony's made a better "go" of it, and seems to have a vice like grip on the digital industry. Frankly, I subsequently fell down the film rathole again... and so one thing leads to another. Will it run in a circle? Sure hope not any time soon, but you never know. Wouldn't you love to compare the value-at-risk and profit of Ilford and Fuji? It's a fair equation. The cost of R&D in these digital puppies is enormous. Are they companies covering it? or is it (like it may be) a loss leader claim to a technical competency that wins kudos and enables some measure of sales in the companies other more profitable lines? Curious, but loss leaders are out there... everywhere.
I found many just didn't work for me, and abandoned the whole line shortly after discovering Contax CY mounted Zeiss were sweet on the frame. Picked up a Sony and dropped Fuji for good. No regrets. Don't think Fuji's been all that profitable in its photography period, but haven't checked in some time. Sony's made a better "go" of it, and seems to have a vice like grip on the digital industry. Frankly, I subsequently fell down the film rathole again... and so one thing leads to another. Will it run in a circle? Sure hope not any time soon, but you never know. Wouldn't you love to compare the value-at-risk and profit of Ilford and Fuji? It's a fair equation. The cost of R&D in these digital puppies is enormous. Are they companies covering it? or is it (like it may be) a loss leader claim to a technical competency that wins kudos and enables some measure of sales in the companies other more profitable lines? Curious, but loss leaders are out there... everywhere.
Apologies, but I think you're way off track. Nobody's going to bring back slide film. Some would like to argue Fuji Vs Sony Vs Canon Vs Pentax but they're only talking about digital cameras because film has no future.
If "nobody" is gong to bring back slide film why are Kodak and Ferrania working on just that vary thing?
Only recently has Fujifilm reported any profits from its Imaging Solution division. Previously they ran a good decade at a loss.
Less than 3% of Fujifilm profits come from digital cameras.
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