I have printed FP4 shot at 400 ISO at 11x14. Grain is visible but not intrusive and sharpness is great.
unfortunately there are no good replacements for glycin in this formula. The specific requirement is for something only mildly super additive with phenidone. HQMS is the closest candidate but is also unavailable
it does not seem to give as much of a speed increase as GVM1 gives, potentially due to using only sodium salts.
Potassium sulfite can be substituted with the right amounts of potassium metabisulfite and potassium hydroxide. These are fairly easily to obtain.Potassium sulphite is expensive but you can consider using Potassium versions of Carbonate and Bicarbonate in your formula if that helps with speed.
Leaving out substances having [IMO] no effect , working solutions are as follows, g/L:
GVM2-1 Sodium sulfite 1.22, sodium carbonate anh 4.16, glycin 0.72, phenidone .068 [40ml->1L]
FX-1 (Crawley) Sodium sulfite 5, sodium carbonate anh 2.5, metol 0.5
So GVM2-1 seems to be an acutance developer with metol replaced by the superadditive glycin/phenidone
After almost a month, a solution of GVM1 has had a significant amount of crystals fall out of solution. They are white and crystaline in appearance and do not dissolve in the concentrate with gentle swishing. Solution color has otherwise remained unchanged and minimal oxygen absorption (ie, plastic bottle collapse) has been observed. Anyone have any idea what may cause this? My only suspicion is that some potassium sulfite reacted with oxygen and sodium metaborate to form sodium sulfate, or somehow has reacted without the oxygen to instead form sodium sulfite. In theory using potassium metaborate would resolve this if that is the case by removing all sources of sodium, but would also require in situ synthesis from potassium hydroxide and boric acid since potassium metaborate is not easily available. I will likely try this synthesis using every bit of PPE I have for fun just to see what the solubility of potassium metaborate is, as a curiosity. I expect to be able to make a 75% solution... but I know that's definitely not an ideal thing to do for most people. I'm just always looking for highly soluble alkalis. Regardless, I'm unsure how this happened and curious if anyone has any insight
First of all, it is possible that your solution is generally too concentrated and it simply takes a while for the supersaturated solution to precipitate.
If the Sodium salt of whatever you have, either sulfite, or oxidised to sulfate, isn't soluble in your concentrated solution it can crystallise slowly. The Potassium salt will do the same but redissolve again. In solution there is no Sodium or Potasium Sulfite or Metaborate. Only the dissociated ions. The crystallisation will happen with both alkali ions and the sodium one will stay put if the speed of dissolution is too slow here. I assume you are familiar with chemical equilibrium.
Or maybe you are salting out developing agents in your concentrated solution? You may have simply hit a practical limit. Is it really necessary to make a 1+100 developer?
If you can separate out the crystals from the concentrate, you may try dissolving them in small amount of water and test pH.
Could you dry the powder by rinsing it in alcohol? Hopefully the alcohol would dry fast enough to avoid oxidation. A test for sulfite-vs-sulfate would to add Metol, turning it into D-23, and see whether it develops film. But I'm not a chemist, so my ideas might be ridiculous....The real difficult one to test is sulfite vs sulfate, since the drying process would likely oxidize sulfite....
A test for sulfite-vs-sulfate would to add Metol, turning it into D-23, and see whether it develops film.
The developing agents would be phenidone and glycin, which I don't believe appear like this. These crystals looks exactly like sodium sulfite to me. Potassium sulfite is much smaller and powdery crystals and plus potassium sulfite dropping out of solution seems unlikely with how soluble it is. Sodium sulfate also appears more fluffy than this. The solution was mixed without heating, so I'm unsure how it would become super saturated and then suddenly not be able to dissolve more. Sulfite and sulfate are nearly equivalent solubility for both sodium and potassium versions, but of course are greatly different between the sodium and potassium versions. This is why my best guess is that somehow sodium sulfite was formed. I understand equilibrium and that things are just ions in solution, but here seems complex given that both sodium and potassium ions are present, as well as glycol which metaborate is soluble in but not sulfite and I know glycol causes sodium sulfite to be less soluble (but unsure about potassium sulfite). I also know strongly alkali solutions also can cause sodium sulfite to fall out of solution.
I have no formal education in chemistry, so any explanation you can give would be helpful. It is not necessary to create such a strongly concentrated a developer, but I believe it contributes to the shelf life of the solution.
It might be more informative to see if it is soluble in alcohol to confirm it is not a product of glycin or phenidone. And try glycol to see if it is metaborate. That would leave only sulfite, sulfate, or carbonate finally and sodium or potassium could be tested by how much is soluble in a fixed amount of water. And sulfite/sulfate could be determined from carbonate by testing pH. The real difficult one to test is sulfite vs sulfate, since the drying process would likely oxidize sulfite, as I don't have a vacuum chamber or any other clean way of drying the powder otherwise. I'd also have to make a fairly large batch of developer and purposefully let this precipitate issue happen, since the amount of powder, even if relatively significant, is still such a small amount from my test batch that it'd be difficult to work with.
An alternative that I may try is using potassium metaborate (check a previous thread I posted in for synthesis details) which would pretty quickly determine if it's an issue with using potassium vs sodium salts, though of course I expect most people would not want to mess with the synthesis process, even if relatively simple.
Have you tested your developer after the formation of crystals? If it works fine, then you can perhaps ignore the issue till it becomes a real problem to solve.
isopropanol are good for diluting phenidone
Unsure about metanol, but phenidone is not stable in isopropanol. Unsure why you believe glycol must be heated? Heating definitely speeds up things, but is by no means necessary if you are patient. With constant stirring it took me 45m to make a 2% solution at about 80F (I heated only briefly to take the chill off). I like glycol because I can make 100ml of stock solution and it is stable for months or maybe even years, which is not the case with isopropyl or ethanolMetanol or isopropanol are good for diluting phenidone.
Glycol should be heated.
I mean the real question is if metol/glycin has any advantage over dimezone/glycin? heh. I'm unsure why waste time making the mixture and running tests, also it would definitely require less concentration since metol is not greatly soluble in water nor glycol for the comparatively large amount required.If you just want to see if dimezone/glycin has any advantage over metol/glycin it would be a lot easier to just replace metol by about 1/10th its weight of dimezone-s [dissolves easily in a small amount of isopropanol].
https://web.archive.org/web/20040421084832/http://jackspcs.com/fx2.htm
By the present procedure you will never know.
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