Nope, didn't see it. But I take it that means the chance of Ilford UK/Harmon buying it from the Swiss and starting production again are nill rather than the 0.001% I had thought.
Did any one here note what Simon Galley said about the difficulty manufacturing this product? It is incredibly difficult to make and therefore as the quantity that is sold decreases, the price will go up! Mass production kept the price down and gave a reasonable profit margin.
That is no longer true.
PE
Is this Supergloss a reversal product?
Supergloss is NOT reversal but color neg; Ciba is not reversal either but direct positive. Anyway ...
blaming marketing has little to do with it. The cost of polyester base especially, but of all the other
petrochem products has gone up dramatically in recent years. Most commercial labs have failed, and
most home printers would rather be geeks with new desktop toys. And just look at the economics - a relatively plain piece of paper with just a little sizing, and no dyes or gelatin at all, is an obscenely profitable piece of material, just like the inks themselves.
In some not so recent thread lots and lots of members here outed themselves as either artists or IT folks, and let me tell you I'm not an artist myself, and I can tell you right away which of the groups is rather going to ditch photography as a hobby than transition to a form which involves spending yet more hours in front of a computer screenRealistically, it is pointless grandstanding to suddenly feel the urge to stock up on chems, papers and whatnot and assume you can keep running the process well into the future.
[...] Move along and transition analogue to digital; if you do not, all you will have are slides and not a skerrick of skill to manage any processing of them in the post-analogue era, where darkrooms and wet chems had then become a nostalgic era for poignant reflection, rather than treating the coming end of it as a catalyst for change and skilling up so that you can rest assured that so long as film is available you can still make something of it rather than turn your back on photography altogether.
That's one of the few positive aspects of this whole fiasco: I can literally hear the few remaining Ilfochrome labs rejoice that they do no longer have to deal with this miserable company. Good riddance, Ilford Switzerland (after I have received my paper & chemsLet's not forget that Ilfochrome lost legions of dedicated analogue photographers here in Australia with the closure of the last long-term pro-level lab in Adelaide. The exodus away from analogue printing's finest was profound. [...] It's not that Switzerland cared much for deadlines, delivery etiquette, quality control or a litany of other disturbing problems that harried labs working the very expensive Ilfochrome process, such as faulty, scratched, spoilt or unsuitable media. We're probably better off without it now that other processes are getting a serious leg-up on the old bastion of prints.
It was JFK who once said "not because they are easy, but because they are hard". You personally are witness that converting a silver halide based photography company into some digital outfit with no purpose does not automatically make it viable or profitable. Ilford Switzerland can and will not survive by selling re-badged Hahnemühle paper or doing other "easy stuff", at least not in the long run, not with Swiss salaries and certainly not with the current exchange rate of the Schweizer Franken.Did any one here note what Simon Galley said about the difficulty manufacturing this product? It is incredibly difficult to make and therefore as the quantity that is sold decreases, the price will go up! Mass production kept the price down and gave a reasonable profit margin.
The discourse changes nothing; at best it is heresy. It is not emboldened by fact, but shrouded in conjecture. The fact we do have is the statement by Ilford themselves.
The demand for Ilfochrome (like Kodachrome) is not there and has been diminishing since at least 1999 and more rapidly in recent times, as any of the foibles in the foregoing posts would ably demonstrate. Prices rises are a notorious fact of life with Ilfochrome and will come as sure as the sun rises. It would be very interesting indeed to learn of who is just going to buy all that mothballed stock at yet another inflated asking price; we would have all moved onto digi post-prod, or leave photography altogether (that's not what I'm doing). And I'm curious, where are the big pro labs churning out so much Ilfochrome that they are making a tidy profit ahead of the crafty Swiss? It's not the tin shed hobbyist buying that stuff. No, it doesn't work like that. Ilford has spoken, written it's own epitaph. To borrow a touching headline, "The rich-hued Ilfochrome era has faded to black". And with that, we're moving on with no time to stop for tears. Thanks for the memories.
So I am taking this pretty seriously mate, so if the fact that this so called conjecture from a source i HIGHLY respect rubs you the wrong way, I suggest you scale a 5th class lead route up Federation Peak naked....
Please let me know where or how can I get them said:Hi Richard
Take a look at B&H Home/Photography/Darkroom/Photographic Chemistry/Color Paper Chemistry and select Ilford
You can get the P3 bleach (now called bleach starter) (in 3 parts) 1x2 liters for $132.40; fixer/fixer replenisher in two 5 litre packages for $98.95; P3 Developer - part A 1x5 litres $53.95; part B 1x2 litres $38.50; part C 1x2 litres $29.95; I'm just mentioning prices so that you can see which items I'm specifically referring to.
Then go to Home/Photography/Darkroom/PhotographicEnlarging Paper and select Ilford.
The items I've mentioned are NOT listed as "This item is only available for purchase in our superstore". Thanks. Judy
Hello everyone, I need to get in McAllen Texas Ilford P-30 chemicals for me to be able to print like 80 Ilfochromes. I don?t want to do it from scannes negatives, they don?t have the liveness that ilfochrome gives me. Please let me know where or how can I get them, B&H only sells them to me directly from the store, They do not ship it!!! I would be so happy if someone gets me the info about this. Richard Groenewold
This is, if confirmed, indeed a royal bummer, it's not like Ilford Switzerland cordially supported Ilfochrome anyways during the last few years. Here's what I plan on doing:
It's really time for us slide shooters to put our freezers to use and to boost our knowledge in organic chemistry. I've already stocked up on Fuji Astia 100F and, just in case, Kodak E100VS. This should buy me 5 more years before I either convert to C41 and B&W or just give up photography altogether. It was fun while it lasted.
- Paper can be stored in the freezer for many years according to what I have found in relevant forum postings. So I will stock what I plan on using over the next few years so I can continue to print my favorite slides.
- Chemistry is more short lived according to these same postings but should last for 1-2 years, at least after heavy color corrections.
- Chemistry will be either available after that or I will look into home brewing. There are a few threads here on APUG which describe recipes and refer to further info: (there was a url link here which no longer exists) and (there was a url link here which no longer exists).
Where there's a will, there's a way. I started planning for the demise of Ciba almost a decade ago.
Color neg materials still weren't up to par, but now things have gotten pretty damn good, though
that's no guarantee Kodak won't pull their end of the rug out from under us. Fuji CA papers and RA4 work perfectly well in home dkrm drums etc. To get the best results with Ciba you had to learn
masking; same for color neg printing, though with different tweaks. But the sum cost is far less than
Ciba was, and significantly less than a high-quality scan and Lightjet etc output (at least for serious
large format work). If some of the positive energy was redirected and concentrated on some of these newer products, it might equate to a mini revival of actual home darkroom color enthusiasts.
If everyone just wants to sit on their ass, then they've got their inkjet printers already.
Thanks for your warning, and no I didn't plan on using my frozen stash for that long.Not to discourage you but I haven't had luck storing Ilfochrome "many years". I pulled some out of the freezer that was less than 10 years old and it was far beyond help.
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