Tetenal

[AgX]

Tetenal does NOT manufacture papers. They never did, though they rebranded papers.

 

[Lachlan Young]

Are you saying that tetenal is the company that is making fuji Crystal Archive?
This stuff is supposed to be the next best thing to cibachrome as far as fade resistance goes.

No, it's coated by Fuji (in the Netherlands & other locations), but Tetenal is one of several suppliers/ distributors of it.

 

[fdonadio]

As far as Fuji goes, im assuming they still produce E6 chemicals?

AFAIK, Fuji and Tetenal still manufacture and sell professional E-6 chemistry.

Yes, Tetenal offers a 6-bath process aimed at commercial labs (most concentrates make 50 liters of working solution). They also offer a small kit aimed at amateurs which uses blix and no pre-bleach (it would be, theoretically, in the color developer, if I understand it right).

 

[AgX]

A subsidiary of them, Tetenal Imaging, a printing service directed at commercial clients, has applied for insolvency too.

 

[Rudeofus]

A subsidiary of them, Tetenal Imaging, a printing service directed at commercial clients, has applied for insolvency too.

Little surprise, if Tetenal was unable to supply them with RA-4 paper for that long ... well, let's hope for the best!

 

[AgX]

Yes and no. Tetenal indeed offers a printing service for anyone, by making photobooks, hand- or industrially-bound, out of halide prints.

But the entity now also applying for insolvency is selling, and doing maintenance on, commercial inkjet priners.
My post above was obviously badly worded.

 

[pentaxuser]

Tetenal does NOT manufacture papers. They never did, though they rebranded papers.

So who makes the paper branded under the label of Tetenal Vario RC paper? Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[AgX]

They rebranded over the years papers from different west-european manufacturers. The last public information by an insider was it to be made by Harman.

 

[Arcadia4]

Article on Petapixel from December concerning Tetenal situation with a link to a podcast interview with editor of Photo Klassik who has been invited into some workshops at Tetenal to help thier business plan. Some interesting bits even if the interviewer some how manages to fit Kodachrome into the interview, (just what a struggling business needs). Interestingly suggests they also make the ECN-2 process chemistry for EK as well as B&W.

https://petapixel.com/2018/12/06/te...largest-photo-chemical-firms-needs-your-help/

 

[AgX]

Tetenal's legal spokesmen and councelors, the trustee manager, Tetenal employees, all gave statements. These official statements were contrary to that what Marvan had been told at Photokina (just before insolvency announcemen) and what he repeats in this interview.

 

[Nzoomed]

Article on Petapixel from December concerning Tetenal situation with a link to a podcast interview with editor of Photo Klassik who has been invited into some workshops at Tetenal to help thier business plan. Some interesting bits even if the interviewer some how manages to fit Kodachrome into the interview, (just what a struggling business needs). Interestingly suggests they also make the ECN-2 process chemistry for EK as well as B&W.

https://petapixel.com/2018/12/06/te...largest-photo-chemical-firms-needs-your-help/

They cant go under if the produce ECN-2, Lots of motion picture film is still being used.

 

[Nzoomed]

Does anyone know if Tetenal made the chemistry for Kodachrome?

 

[AgX]

They cant go under if the produce ECN-2, Lots of motion picture film is still being used.

You might tell that the owner, the trustee director and employees.


Aside that you seem to know their plant and the respective economical issues better than them, do you know how many new movies still are spread as film copies and then in what numbers? Cinemas are digitized by now.

 

[cmacd123]

do you know how many new movies still are spread as film copies and then in what numbers? .

ECN2 is the process for Motion Picture Negative film, and some intermediate films. Final colour prints require Process ECP2 (Eastman Colour Print) ... In any case, while there are prepared chemicals sold by Kodak for both processes, larger film labs can easily make all the solutions from basic chemicals.

Many cinematographers do follow what we might call a hybrid process, Shooting on ECN film, even if the production may be edited and presented by digital means. In fact one can also shoot digital, and use something called a ARRIlaser or a Cinevator to make 35mm film prints.

 

[AgX]

I know what ECN2 stands for for.
But the number of movies taken on film is a tiny fraction of all new movies copies distributed world wild (digitally meanwhile).
And the number of these movies is known too. The latest number I got at hand is 26/year. Even take an editing factor of 10 for film length.
A plant of 120 employees running on mixing chemicals for about two or three dozen movies a year?

 

[cmacd123]

I know what ECN2 stands for for.
But the number of movies taken on film is a tiny fraction of all new movies copies distributed world wild (digitally meanwhile).
And the number of these movies is known too. The latest number I got at hand is 26/year. ?

well, that small number is what is keeping Eastman Kodak making film. to use your example, one 120 minute film using a 10 to 1 shooting ratio, (1200 Minutes) (at 90 feet a minute) is 108 Thousand foot rolls.

https://kodak.com/us/en/corp/campaign/shotonfilm/default.htm shows what is recently produced with film origination.

And I will agree that the loss of Film in distribution does significantly reduce volumes, even if the print film costs much less per foot than camera film. Given the same 120 minute film opening on 200 screens, would use 720 6000 foot rolls of Print film. (plus a few dozen rolls of intermediate films, and sound recording film.)

 

[AgX]

And I will agree that the loss of Film in distribution does significantly reduce volumes, even if the print film costs much less per foot than camera film. Given the same 120 minute film opening on 200 screens, would use 720 6000 foot rolls of Print film. (plus a few dozen rolls of intermediate films, and sound recording film.)

Then please give me the number of new movie film prints being made. They no longer show up in any statistic. No wonder with nearly 100% cinema digitisation.
Who uses intermediate film and sound film in new movie production??

 

[mshchem]

Then please give me the number of new movie film prints being made. They no longer show up in any statistic. No wonder with nearly 100% cinema digitisation.
Who uses intermediate film and sound film in new movie production??

I don't think there is a single theatre in the state of Iowa that still projects movies with film. Everything is distributed digitally. I'm not sure there is still a person in the theater who would have access to the "projection booth" modern cinema theatres are more akin to managing a website than an old theater.

I would like to see the actual numbers. I suppose there are still a significant number of "art houses" that project film, but I wouldn't think it amounts to one percent.

All I see in film credits is "digital intermediate" . The other huge point is the equipment for projecting and printing film isn't being manufactured that I know of? When Tarrentino released Hateful Eight in 70mm equipment was pieced together from ancient equipment to get a few working projectors.

 

[mshchem]

I just realized that every chemical preparation I use for black and white processing is made by Tetenal. I have plenty of Bromophen, but I should get some extra XTOL, Kodak Rapid Fixer w/ hardener, and Kodak Rapid Selenium toner. Yikes! I get color chemistry from Alaris and Fuji. (China and Netherlands respectively )

 

[AgX]

I suppose there are still a significant number of "art houses" that project film, but I wouldn't think it amounts to one percent.

Art house cinemas were digitized to gain access to the many new movie distributors/production houses who only emerged due the lower entry costs.
Otherwise they depend on old stock.

 

[cmacd123]

appropreate, this article on an existing lab appeared on the "go Motion" site https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/Blog/Blog_Post/?contentId=4295011832

 

[fdonadio]

Who uses intermediate film and sound film in new movie production??

I don’t know, but Kodak still sells these products. It’s in their catalog, which can be found on their website.

I buy a 400ft roll of Double-X every now and then.

 

[AgX]

Agfa cancelled all these films within the last years.

 

[fdonadio]

Agfa cancelled all these films within the last years.

So did Fuji.

Yes, analog cinema is a very small market now, but Kodak is still betting on it, with Ektachrome and the (now vaporware) Super-8 camera. When I read the first press-releases, it was clear their intent is to form a new generation of filmmakers that want to use film.

They need someone to make the chemistry to process that film, right?

 

[Wallendo]

So did Fuji.

Yes, analog cinema is a very small market now, but Kodak is still betting on it, with Ektachrome and the (now vaporware) Super-8 camera. When I read the first press-releases, it was clear their intent is to form a new generation of filmmakers that want to use film.

They need someone to make the chemistry to process that film, right?

Yes, they need chemistry. But they really only need a few batches made every year. There are a lot of chemical companies that can mix up a few batches every now and then. There is not enough demand for a company to continuously employ people to make ECN chemistry daily.