Tetenal

[trendland]

Wrong spelling :WHO SHOULD BE THEN ABLE????

with regards

 

[trendland]

All the speculation is just a waste of time. I bet that in one year Tetenal will be here and running, and will have solved the current problems.

Henning that should be right but just to bet isn't enough . You have to find fresh money - no problem buy the way because money today is walking in each Valley searching yield - but first posibble Investors want to know : where was the Problem ?
And is the problem on demand ? = Game over!

What will then survive is the Name of course. Tetenal as a brand name is expensive !

with regsrds

 

[Rudeofus]

This week the court has ordered a trustee to run the business of Tetenal, what to my understanding means the ending of the selfmanagement and the installation of the standard insolvency procedure to save the firm.

A trustee appears to have been appointed on October 16th, and this appeared to have been the very first action the court took after insolvency was declared on October 1st. The insolvency is still listed as §270a, which corresponds to "Eigenverwaltung", i.e. self administration. Whatever may happen to Tetenal in the near future, these recent developments are not a court mandated reversal of action or anything out of the ordinary, just a continuation of an ongoing case.

 

[trendland]

A trustee appears to have been appointed on October 16th, and this appeared to have been the very first action the court took after insolvency was declared on October 1st. The insolvency is still listed as §270a, which corresponds to "Eigenverwaltung", i.e. self administration. Whatever may happen to Tetenal in the near future, these recent developments are not a court mandated reversal of action or anything out of the ordinary, just a continuation of an ongoing case.

Same thoughts at me. In worst case production is still done at the next time for several month. Later you got it to several month from retailers. At last other companies will done it under licence but it may be (perhaps in one 1/2 years some special developers will end.

with regards

PS : hope not on a worst case.....

 

[AgX]

A trustee appears to have been appointed on October 16th, and this appeared to have been the very first action the court took after insolvency was declared on October 1st. The insolvency is still listed as §270a, which corresponds to "Eigenverwaltung", i.e. self administration. Whatever may happen to Tetenal in the near future, these recent developments are not a court mandated reversal of action or anything out of the ordinary, just a continuation of an ongoing case.

However that very trustee has explicite rights beyond that of the supervisor appointed in the case of self-management also his legal title is different from that supervisor.
(But I admit this is very complicated in details, moreover as some legal terms have different meaning than the same term in common life.)

 

[Rudeofus]

However that very trustee has explicite rights beyond that of the supervisor appointed in the case of self-management also his legal title is different from that supervisor.
(But I admit this is very complicated in details, moreover as some legal terms have different meaning than the same term in common life.)

My impression is, that this is just normal course of action during such proceedings. In fact, October 16th was the first time the court did anything at all in this case since the request for insolvency proceedings was filed on October 1st. I am not very familiar with German insolvency law myself (and not a lawyer to begin with), but applying my home country's legal procedures to these I would say that everything is on course. The portal I pull my info from claims it is updated multiple times a day, so I'd say it's §270a for now, which is a good thing for us.

This has just started now, nobody knows how this will unfold, and at this point there is not much we can do for Tetenal except buy their products like there was no tomorrow.

 

[MattKing]

at this point there is not much we can do for Tetenal except buy their products like there was no tomorrow.

Which includes buying Kodak and Ilford products manufactured by Tetenal.

 

[CMoore]

Anybody know the WWII History of this company.....were their facilities pretty much bombed out during the war, or did they survive OK.?
I really had no idea who this company was, until i read this post. Wiki says they have been around since 1850.....is that true.?
I live in the usa.....i am not sure if we even have railroads that old.....Impressive.!
Thank You

 

[Martin Rickards]

Anybody know the WWII History of this company.....were their facilities pretty much bombed out during the war, or did they survive OK.?
I really had no idea who this company was, until i read this post. Wiki says they have been around since 1850.....is that true.?
I live in the usa.....i am not sure if we even have railroads that old.....Impressive.!
Thank You

https://www.tetenal.com/en/corporate_history/

 

[AgX]

I really had no idea who this company was, until i read this post.

Over here Tetenal for decades was the manufacturer most prominent within retail in the field of photo chemicals. In the early 80s they added photographic paper, bought-in/custom-made and branded with their own label.

 

[AgX]

Anybody know the WWII History of this company.....were their facilities pretty much bombed out during the war, or did they survive OK.?

Many german manufacturers had been affected by the war
-) by restructuring for war production
-) by actual destruction by allied bombing (rarely shelling)
-) by dismantling by the Allies for reperation
-) by the political situation following the zoning

Tetenal mainly was into blending and packaging chemicals, thus do not expect a chemical plant with synthesis.

 

[CMoore]

https://www.tetenal.com/en/corporate_history/

Sorry if i missed it, but does that link address WWII.?

 

[CMoore]

Many german manufacturers had been affected by the war
-) by restructuring for war production
-) by actual destruction by allied bombing (rarely shelling)
-) by dismantling by the Allies
-) by the political situation following the zoning

Tetenal mainly was into blending and packaging chemicals, thus do not expect a chemical plant with synthesis.

I see.....Thank You

 

[Ian Grant]

Anybody know the WWII History of this company.....were their facilities pretty much bombed out during the war, or did they survive OK.?
I really had no idea who this company was, until i read this post. Wiki says they have been around since 1850.....is that true.?
I live in the usa.....i am not sure if we even have railroads that old.....Impressive.!
Thank You

Yes the second oldest Photographic company still trading. Johnsons of Hendon were older, they supplied Fox Talbot with Silver Nitrate etc and ceased chemistry production in the 1970's, technically they still exist trading as Johnsons Photopia importing and distributing for a number of companies.

Ian

 

[AgX]

Tetenal mainly was into blending and packaging chemicals, thus do not expect a chemical plant with synthesis.

Add to this the R&D into new blends and the obvious need of controlling their effectivity, the R&D into new forms as tablets etc.
But about this is the limit of all these suppliers of photo chemicals blends unless they are part/spin off of a major film manufacturer.

The special situation for Tetenal is that beyond this manufacturing business they are a major distributor for other products, and in the past even were engaged as a holding in camera retail.

 

[cmacd123]

Sorry if i missed it, but does that link address WWII.?

it is common for German companies to not dwell on WWII, most of the events many companies were involved with were not under their direction or Control.

 

[AgX]

If a firm arose out of ruins, that was typically stated in the past, but that about was it.
However with the public discussion around forced labour that came up at the end of the 90s some firms meanwhile become selfreflective on their part in during WWII.

But this all is beyond the discussion of Tetenal being in trouble.

 

[mshchem]

Which includes buying Kodak and Ilford products manufactured by Tetenal.

My "panic buy" of German XTOL arrived today . The product is nicer than ever. Tetenal puts more sulfite in with the developing agent packet. I've noticed no more very tiny brown particles. The older packages, no matter how good your technique, there would always be (really milligram quantities ) of little brown particles, that would gather, like tea leaves, as the mixed solution cooled.
I will stick with Fuji Hunt E6, and Alaris for color chemistry. I have had good results with the Tetenal E6 kits, but their capacity claims are way over stated. Also their crystal final rinse can re-crystallize on the film. Not enough to trouble most people, but it drives me crazy.

I use Ilford and Kodak chemistry exclusively for black and white. As far as I know it's all Tetenal .

Every now and then, I crack open a 45 year old can of Rochester produced Dektol. I marvel at the longevity. Before the cost cutting geniuses got involved and the engineers and scientists ran the show.

I wish Tetenal the best, they make great products. Hopefully everything goes well.
Best Regards Mike

 

[mshchem]

it is common for German companies to not dwell on WWII, most of the events many companies were involved with were not under their direction or Control.

Dow chemical made styrene monomer for napalm. That was 80 years ago. Everything was crazy.
I wish the US had German trade surplus numbers. I was at the BASF plant in Ludwigshafen, it was I.G.Farben before the wars end. There was still massive concrete and steel structures that were impractical to demolish during the rebuilding . Here's to Peace!

 

[mshchem]

If a firm arose out of ruins, that was typically stated in the past, but that about was it.
However with the public discussion around forced labour that came up at the end of the 90s some firms meanwhile become selfreflective on their part in during WWII.

But this all is beyond the discussion of Tetenal being in trouble.

US Hershey chocolate and Swiss Nestlé are in the business news. Saying we are so sorry we used slave labor. Not sure when it really stopped, just because slavery is illegal doesn't make it extinct.

 

[cmacd123]

US Hershey chocolate and Swiss Nestlé are in the business news. Saying we are so sorry we used slave labor. Not sure when it really stopped, just because slavery is illegal doesn't make it extinct.

there is a lot of pressure to track some commodities even today to avoid using parts made from what are termed "Conflict metals" the materials out of conflict zone are often produced with virtual slavery.

 

[AgX]

Later [Tetenal] even had a kind of magazine laying at the the photo store where they described the use of some products and news out of their range. A form of marketing unique in the photographic field in those years.

In September they kind of revived that idea by publishing this broshure. However I wonder where to find it. So far I only found it at their website. And only by going into their blog. And that I only found by accident. At their homepage is not the slightest hint at the blog, not even at the site map...

https://blog.tetenal.de/news/sonderdruck-best-of-classics/#more-3516

 

[mshchem]

Is Photo Klassic looks like a great magazine. My Grandmother spoke German, I am woefully ignorant. I could get by, barely, in Spanish. Maybe an English version someday?

 

[mshchem]

I found the photo Klassic international website and subscribed Oh Joy!

 

[AgX]

As Photo Klassik has already an English edition, and as this broshure is seemingly prepared or taken from Photo Klassik, I assume there will be an English edition too.
But I doubt my camera store would ever get it. Their revenue with classic films is negligable and they do not sell anything from Tetenal either.