Test of Rollei Retro 100 Tonal against AGFA APX100

[kompressor]

Panatomic-X, Technical Pan and Rollei Retro 100 Tonal in a "shoot out"
I prefer to shoot film instead of debating with conservatives

I have been out shoting som more film for finding out how it reacts to different combos.
Today it was Kodak Technical Pan, Kodak Panatomic-X and Rollei Retro 100 Tonal in my bag. All in 120.

Technical Pan shot at ISO 20 developed in Rodinal 1+300, Panatomic-X shot at ISO 20 developed in Rodinal 1+50 and Retro 100 Tonal shot at ISO 50 developed in Rodinal 1+300

The 3 first links are re-sized and sharpened shots to show the object:


Tonal: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/tonal.jpg
Panatomic-X: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/panx.jpg
Tech Pan: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/techpan.jpg

The next 3 links are 100% crop of the nameplate on the right corner of this object taken from the pictures in the 3 first links at full size:

Tonal: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/tonal_uts1.jpg
Panatomic-X: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/panx_uts1.jpg
Tech Pan: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/techpan_uts1.jpg

All the shots above are done with Hasselblad 500C and a 150mm Carl Zeiss T* F4 on F8

The next 3 are 100% crop with Hasselblad 500C 150mm Carl Zeiss T* F4 on F8 with 55mm extension tube. Distance from wall 60-70 cm:

Tonal: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/tonal_uts2.jpg
Panatomic-X: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/panx_uts2.jpg
Tech Pan: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/panx_tp_tonal/techpan_uts2.jpg

 

[stevebrot]

I have been out shoting som more film for finding out how it reacts to different combos.
Today it was Kodak Technical Pan, Kodak Panatomic-X and Rollei Retro 100 Tonal in my bag. All in 120.

Oh my! You would have to remind me how much I miss Panatomic-X and Technical Pan...


Steve

 

[kompressor]

Here is a leaflet i found inside the Panatomic-X 120-box: http://www.tmax100.com/photo/pdf/panatomix_x_leaflet.pdf

 

[RobertV]

Nice examples.

Well I took some time for a walk along the river Maas.

Here my example, now on 35mm, equipment: Leica M7 + Summicron 2,0/50mm
Retro 100 Tonal film, E.I. 50 in CG512/RLS 1+4 for 14:00 minutes, 24C. An easy development (= room temperature) on the attic due to the warm weather.

In my Flickr stream on other formats.
3200 dpi V500 scan.

 

[Aurelien]

I have just printed a 4x5 negative on Foma MG131 30x40 cm.

Tonal was developped in PMK. Print was selenium toned.

 

[kompressor]

Print was selenium toned.

Aurelien, can you help me get hold of Selenium toner?
It is so fantastic sunshine here in Molde today. 120 version of tonal in 1+300 Rodinal stand for 30 min. Shot at ISO 25

 

[Aurelien]

WHat do you mean with selenium?

 

[kompressor]

WHat do you mean with selenium?

I have trouble finding selenium toner for sale.

 

[Aurelien]

I have some to sale

Send me an email or PM

 

[kompressor]

STAND DEV

Once again ISO 25 Rodinal 1+300 30 minutes. F8 and 1/125

 

[kompressor]

More from the beautiful docks of Molde, Norway. Rollei Retro 100 Tonal in Rodinal 1+300 semi-standdeveloment 30 min. Film @iso 25 1/125 F8

 

[wblynch]

This last one is absolutely gorgeous.

More from the beautiful docks of Molde, Norway. Rollei Retro 100 Tonal in Rodinal 1+300 semi-standdeveloment 30 min. Film @iso 25 1/125 F8

 

[Aurelien]

Yes last one is good

 

[RobertV]

More from the beautiful docks of Molde, Norway. Rollei Retro 100 Tonal in Rodinal 1+300 semi-standdevelopment 30 min. Film @iso 25 1/125 F8

I feel like I am an amateur again

Indeed great results.

 

[werra]

More from the beautiful docks of Molde, Norway.

Where are the highlights gone?

 

[kompressor]

Where are the highlights gone?

If you cant see any highlights, by you self a new computerscreen or learn to operate the one you have.

 

[werra]

If you cant see any highlights, by you self a new computerscreen or learn to operate the one you have.

Thank you for definite answer.

 

[clayne]

If you cant see any highlights, by you self a new computerscreen or learn to operate the one you have.

komp: The highlights are definitely blown out my friend. But in a way that seems overdeveloped.

 

[kompressor]

Clayne: They ere definitely not blown. Left side is light leak. You are judging a small jpg. Its information in the highlights. In a wetprint i can be printed from black to paper white if so is requested.

 

[Cor]

Kompressor,

The seemingly consistent white spots on the Tonal images would drive me nuts, and throw out the film. If I understand you correctly it only happens on the Tonal film?

(reminds me of the scratches on the Foma 120 film I have tested for Sander or emulsion less spots on many of my MACO IR 4*5 film negatives, printing as ugly black holes: these are examples of less than optimal QC to put it mildly..)

Best,

Cor

 

[kompressor]

Yes, the white spots comes only with this film. Today im going to test it in demineralized water who also i destilled.

 

[RobertV]

It IS the water, I also tested them out. With simple demi water you do not have it. BTW I did not have them with AM74 (in tap water) or CG512 as well. With Rodinal the "problem" is there. Not sure where it's comming from.

Left side is light leak

You have to keep the roll straight and tight when unloading. Polyester tends to unroll so tight and closing the end strip. Otherwise you will have a light leak on Polyester film material (Foma, Efke, Rollei aso.) .

Polyester has advantages and disadvantages but this Polyester film lays down very straight where Fomapan 100/400 and Efke 25-50-100 on 120 rollfilm (Polyester) is curling much.

Next Tonal film is on adventures Ravenstein 650 years, incl. a battle field near the river Maas. E.I. 100. 667 RF camera.

 

[RobertV]

Schröder CEO Rollei-Maco company:

Hallo, seit vielen Monaten wird dieser Film, zuerst aus der Technikums-Produktion Herbst 2009,
anschliessend aus der industriellen Grossproduktion Anfang 2010 in der Praxis getestet. Die Erkenntnisse
aus diesen Versuchsreihen liegen hier bei mir vor.

Alle Erfahrungen wurden bislang erst einmal in kleiner Runde ausgetauscht.

Warum?
Weil bereits Mitte 2009 der Termin Juni 2010 zur Markteinführung festgelegt worden ist.
Die Markteinführung wird über nur wenige Partner erfolgen, die sich bereits seit Jahren sehr intensiv
in dieses Projekt eingebracht haben. Über unser Haus wird der Retro 100 TONAL ab Januar 2011 dem
Markt angeboten.

Da der gute Uwe noch schon etwas "vorgeprescht" ist (danke für dein Engagement, Uwe) ganz kurz
der Hinweis auf "dots" in der Emulsion. Diese sind erfahrungsgemäss weitestgehend zu vermeiden,
wenn die Entwickler mit Ansatzwasser/dest. Wasser angesetzt werden - wenn eine evtl. Vorwässerung
ebenfalls mit einem Doseninhalt dest. Wasser, nicht Leitungswasser, erfolgt.

Wie bei jeder anderen Emulsionsgattung, die orthochromatische Sensibilisierungsstoffe enthält,
neigt eine sehr frisch gegossene Emulsion zu einer gewissen Sensibilität gegenüber Kalk im Wasser.
Das ist seit Jahrzehnten der Branche durchaus geläufig.

Vor allem hier und jetzt beim Tonal, der ja nun wirklich frisch ist.

So it's comming from the very fresh emulsion.

Wie bei jeder anderen Emulsionsgattung, die orthochromatische Sensibilisierungsstoffe enthält,
neigt eine sehr frisch gegossene Emulsion zu einer gewissen Sensibilität gegenüber Kalk im Wasser.

It is the (orthochromatic) sensitizer in fresh emulsion extra sensitive for calcium and materials (e.g. iron) in the tap water.

 

[AgX]

Robert,

Schroeder had it about Calcium, not Calgon.

 

[RobertV]

Robert,

Schroeder had it about Calcium, not Calgon.

thx, fixed.