T-Max doesn't have silver?

Sirius Glass · Sep 14, 2007

rjas said:
there was the time the manager of the (actually respectable) camera section of a dept. store insisted that his photographer friend's Leica M8 malfunctioned and Leica replaced it with an M9. He was adamant that I was mistaken about there not being an M9 .

I am not completely surprised. Electronic focal plane cameras [how is that for distancing oneself from the d-word] use software [actually firmware] to process the images. A common software error is and off-by-one error. Therefore it is evident that he has incremented not once but twice in error => that would read: M8 -1 was upgraded to a M9 -1 ... a M7 was upgraded to a M8.

Of course that would imply that a M7 is not a film camera. hmmm ... I need to rethink this one. :confused:

May be a M8 was replaced by a M8???

Interested readers want to know!!

Steve

rjas · Sep 14, 2007

Stever said:
Interested readers want to know!!

Steve

I think he had no idea what he was talking about. Well intentioned feller though.

eclarke · Sep 14, 2007

Monophoto said:
Just think - in November, that guy gets to vote.

Scary, isn't it?

Ha, doesn't make any difference, look at the list of candidates if you want scary...EC

Drew B. · Sep 14, 2007

copake_ham said:
Hmm:
Pennsylvania voted in 2000 for Gore. And Bush in 2004.
So which election are you referring to? :confused:

So, are you saying every person in PA voted for Gore in 00? There had to be at least one who didn't!

Early Riser · Sep 14, 2007

winger said:
Since I'm in PA, I figured I'd go to a nearby camera club meeting to try and meet some people (since I only know about 4 people here). The guy sitting behind me, once he found out I shoot film, asked me what I liked to use. When I said I was currently using T-Max 100, he said, "Do you know what the difference is between that and TriX? TriX has less latitude and has silver, while TMax has more latitude and no silver, just dye." I was tempted to ask him how you develop it then, since all developers are intended to convert the silver grains. I desisted.

He must have gotten his "facts" from an online forum......

Stephen Frizza · Sep 15, 2007

Stupidity exposed!

I own a lab in sydney and once had a client come in whom had shot a few rolls of 35mm film and wanted them processed. she brought the films in to me removed from their canisters totally exposed to light and asked me to develop them. I was confused and asked her why? and after confusion It all became clear to me she didnt understand that once you have shot on the film you shouldnt try to remove it from the canister unless your going to process it in the darkroom!!!!! The film was ruined and I still to this day am stunned that a grown woman forced open film canisters to remove the film and take it to a lab.

~Steve
the Lighthouse Lab

Doyle Thomas · Sep 15, 2007

I went to a workshop once when a young woman opened a full box of 16x20 paper. It said on the box "open only in photographic darkroom". Well, we were in the darkroom and the box did not say that the lights should be off!

Doyle

David H. Bebbington · Sep 15, 2007

Doyle Thomas said:
I went to a workshop once when a young woman opened a full box of 16x20 paper. It said on the box "open only in photographic darkroom". Well, we were in the darkroom and the box did not say that the lights should be off!

Doyle

There is, however, no sexual bias to stupidity. When I ran a photographic service in a university department in the 1970s, I was frequentlly asked to develop film shot by scientists with PhDs, etc. On occasion this was wound back into the cassette inside-out or without pressing the rewind button (all 1.60 of film rewound over a stationary camera sprocket, ripped right along the sprocket holes on both sides from one end to another). This was of course in addition to the "normal" mistakes of forgetting lens caps with RF cameras, setting ISO wrongly on metered cameras. etc.

Regards,

David

jim appleyard · Sep 15, 2007

It's for people like this guy in the camera club that the Darwin Awards were invented.

Dorian Gray · Sep 15, 2007

David H. Bebbington said:
To be tediously factual for a moment:
Kodak's current T400 CN (ISO 400, C-41 process) film is a T-grain film even though it doesn't have the name T-Max on the box (this is apparently reserved for conventional-process film). The camera-club "idiot" was therefore not out quite as far as some people seem to think!

C-41 films still have silver content, of course. Whether they have more latitude than Tri-X depends on what is meant by latitude, a term I dislike because it seems to have as many definitions as there are photographers.

It's a surprising error for a club member, but forgivable, surely? The implied sexism is another matter.

fschifano · Sep 15, 2007

Roger Hicks said:
Indeed: is Google cause -- or effect?

Likewise Wikipedia.

Perfect examples of "Catch 22"

winger · Sep 15, 2007

David, PhD simply means piled higher and deeper.
I know the guy at the club may have been thinking of chromogenic B&W films, so I won't totally ignore him, etc.. But I'm not going to ask him to go shooting with me either.

jim appleyard · Sep 15, 2007

winger said:
David, PhD simply means piled higher and deeper.
I know the guy at the club may have been thinking of chromogenic B&W films, so I won't totally ignore him, etc.. But I'm not going to ask him to go shooting with me either.

I thought it meant, "Push here, dummy!"

I wouldn't go shooting with him either, especially guns!

Monophoto · Sep 15, 2007

Here's a picture of one of those people.

CBG · Sep 16, 2007

Stephen Frizza said:
I own a lab in sydney and once had a client come in whom had shot a few rolls of 35mm film and wanted them processed. she brought the films in to me removed from their canisters totally exposed to light and asked me to develop them. I was confused and asked her why? and after confusion It all became clear to me she didnt understand that once you have shot on the film you shouldnt try to remove it from the canister unless your going to process it in the darkroom!!!!! The film was ruined and I still to this day am stunned that a grown woman forced open film canisters to remove the film and take it to a lab.

~Steve
the Lighthouse Lab

It terrifies me that these people vote, and sit on juries, and get elected to important office. I am scared to death of the ignorance and stupidity. And by a culture that doesn't encourage intellectual curiosity and achievement.

I'd guess we all have horror stories of stupidity we have seen or been subjected to. Just look at how many people fall for spammers.

C

Sirius Glass · Sep 16, 2007

I do not know why you are surprised, these are the people who voted for Bush twice!

Steve

donbga · Sep 16, 2007

Dorian Gray said:
C-41 films still have silver content, of course. Whether they have more latitude than Tri-X depends on what is meant by latitude, a term I dislike because it seems to have as many definitions as there are photographers.

It's a surprising error for a club member, but forgivable, surely? The implied sexism is another matter.

According to David Vestal, lattitude is what you can get away with in a photograph.

gainer · Sep 16, 2007

One of the disadvantages of our form of government is that haggling over small points make it take so long to pass a bill. One of the advantages of our form of government is that haggling over small points make it take so long to pass a bill.

gr82bart · Sep 16, 2007

Hmmm ... no silver, eh? Hehehe ... tell'em the difference between a full frame CCD and DX size CMOS chip is the CCD doesn't use silicon. That's why there's no "S". Except for the Nikon FF CCD, it's 0.1mm x 0.2mm less than a FF size, so it's called an NCCD. Betcha he'll buy it.

Regards, Art. (Wish I was at the next meeting - I'd go Letterman on him)

roteague · Sep 16, 2007

Stever said:
I do not know why you are surprised, these are the people who voted for Bush twice!

Steve

So, I voted for him twice, and I voted for his father twice. Are you trying to imply something?

winger · Sep 16, 2007

Regards, Art. (Wish I was at the next meeting - I'd go Letterman on him)

Feel free, Art! And at least there weren't many bird photos last week (2, actually).

fhovie · Sep 17, 2007

One of the things I always admired about Texas - Their legislature only meets every other year. Sounds pretty good to me.

gainer said:
One of the disadvantages of our form of government is that haggling over small points make it take so long to pass a bill. One of the advantages of our form of government is that haggling over small points make it take so long to pass a bill.

tstrobaugh · Nov 6, 2007

speaking of being factual

copake_ham said:
Hmm:

Pennsylvania voted in 2000 for Gore. And Bush in 2004.

So which election are you referring to? :confused:

Pennsylvania voted for Kerry in 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004,_in_Pennsylvania

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