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Hi
Been playing still life and wondering if there is a magic string that is less visable than very thin fishing line?
Ive tried green braid and transparent flurocarbin as well as monofilament fishing lines.
Is there such a thing or a technique or do I just have to work it out of the shot?

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Thickness is one thing. Transparency/opacity and reflectivity another. It would depend on background and lighting.
 

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Use a stand that can be hidden behind the subject or background.
 

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I worked on a series of fishing lures and this was my problem as well, I am sure there are some tricks,, I just don't know what they are.
 

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Try sewing thread the same color as the background. Or better yet, suspend it with a pole hidden directly behind the subject. One of the problems with standard fishing line is it is very reflective. It was made to be invisible underwater, not in the air. Sewing thread will be less reflective and easier to keep highlights off of. The downside is it's no where near as strong. Also consider using a background that makes it easier to hide something like a thread or wire. A flat colored background can be really hard to hide anything. Something that's busy, especially if it has a lot of vertical lines anyway, might be easier to work with. You might also play around with using more diffused lighting to minimize highlights, or a couple of hard light and keep the light off the string with a modifier. One of those methods may work best depending on the subject, the string, and your lighting options. A lot of experimentation will be necessary, so a digital camera might help in the setup process here. And lastly, consider taking a second shot without the subject and support in frame and do it the old fashioned way. I've never been any good at that stuff, but I've seen some amazing work from others, so I know it can be done. If that's too tough, consider going digital. The job is a lot easier when you have the right tools for the job, and this may be one of those situations where you'd be best off going digital, or at least doing a hybrid workflow. Then you can contact print your final print if you absolutely need a silver gelatin.
 

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This is easily addressed in the digital file and is no more "deceptive" than photography itself.

However, one way most serious photographers would have addressed this in ancient times would be with retouching, perhaps airbrush.
 

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I suspend objects in my light tent with regular sewing thread. I choose something that matches the background. The thread has very low reflectivity - better than monofilament fishing line. Also, in the light tent, the lighting is quite defused which helps keep the thread from standing out. My Wife does little glass sculptures and jewelry, and I take quite a few photos for her web site and other advertising. Seems to work quite well.
 

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I suspend objects in my light tent with regular sewing thread. I choose something that matches the background. The thread has very low reflectivity - better than monofilament fishing line. Also, in the light tent, the lighting is quite defused which helps keep the thread from standing out. My Wife does little glass sculptures and jewelry, and I take quite a few photos for her web site and other advertising. Seems to work quite well.


Take a look at Bruce's Photrio "Media" entries (click on bsdunek). Lovely. They make a strong case for this approach to "suspending objects."
 

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Does it have to be physically suspended, as in hanging above another object, or does it just need to appear suspended?
 

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Black thread and black background might work. Or white thread and blank white background.
 

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Match the color of and light intensity of the string and background. The easiest are total black or white... subtle tones fade beyond what the final image can render.
 

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Use iron pipes coming up and forward from behind to hold the subject up in the air. Use props to hide or throw the pipes so far out of focus they can't be seen.
 

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Depending on the objects being photographed in the shot, another option: Laser trip-wire and high intensity flash...

If you have the gear, adding a laser/optical shutter trigger can allow you to simply drop the objects through the scene, and automatically trip the shutter at the desired height. (Remember to account for delay.) High speed flash being your main exposure lets you drop effective shutter speed down low enough to get nice crisp images without motion blur.
 
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Damn! No magic photographic string. Cant find a skyhook either.:sad:

Thanks very much for the tips and suggestions, this is very helpful. I was taking a picture of an old fly rod, reel and a lure (non fly lure), wanted it suspended and old cord dangling and because fly rods have such a short but I couldn't keep the support string out of focus. Ill post up a pick later to show what I mean.
Its a 8x10 shot using my stupidly big Orbit camera and a long 15" tele lens, and it was windy and I had to do a 14 minute exposure and I mucked up a couple of shots cause the camera moved a bit and I was under pressure to get my wifes good table (back) cloth back in the cupboard before she got home......etc.
Anyway enough of excuses, I got one half decent negative I will do in Vandyke brown and I am now wiser for next time. I have a lot of old and new fishing equipment that may work as a picture.
 
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I used a bit of poetic license with my brush stokes to hide most of the string, but you can see it on the butt.
This was a test print in Vandyke Brown, bit messy. Usually takes a few goes to get it close to right.
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Less compressed here https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/25848494087/in/dateposted-public/
 
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