Superia Venus 800 = Superia X-TRA 800 ?

carlostaiwan · Dec 27, 2016

Hi Everyone! I noticed that the Japanese market has the Fujicolor Superia Venus 800 and the American market the Fujicolor Superia X-TRA 800. Both are Fujifilm and not too different in price, I'm doing some research and tests on high ISO color film.

Do you guys know if it's a re-branding or if there is any actual difference in the two films?

Thank you!!

ericdan · Dec 28, 2016

They are both made in Japan. Probably the same.
Lexus used to have Toyota logos here in Japan. They just recently labeled the luxury models Lexus here.
what research are you doing?

pentaxuser · Dec 28, 2016

Maybe the Superia Venus 800 is for dimly lit glamour shots? On a more serious note I wonder what the basis was the use of the word Venus? Doesn't seem to have much to do with any aspect I can think of relating to Fuji Superia.

pentaxuser

ericdan · Dec 28, 2016

pentaxuser said:
Maybe the Superia Venus 800 is for dimly lit glamour shots? On a more serious note I wonder what the basis was the use of the word Venus? Doesn't seem to have much to do with any aspect I can think of relating to Fuji Superia.

pentaxuser

No basis. I've lived here long enough to not even try to understand anymore.

dE fENDER · Dec 29, 2016

No, these are totally different films. For the correct answer for this or similar question you have to make a simple thing - open the datasheets and compare graphs. Venus 800 probably is better, cause it's Dmax is higher.
Venus 800 datasheet: http://fujifilm.jp/support/filmandcamera/download/pack/pdf/datasheet/ff_superiavenus800_001.pdf
Superia X-tra datasheet: http://www.fujifilmusa.com/shared/bin/AF3-068E.PDF

Athiril · Dec 29, 2016

Superia X-TRA 400 and Superia Premium 400 are both different films and are sold side by side here in Japan, theres a chart in some of the shops illustrating the difference

階調 translates as tone, 硬調 on the high side of the up/down scale means high contrast

色調 translates as colour tone.

So up is high contrast, down is low contrast, left is low saturation, right is high saturation.

RattyMouse · Jan 14, 2017

Athiril said:
Superia X-TRA 400 and Superia Premium 400 are both different films and are sold side by side here in Japan, theres a chart in some of the shops illustrating the difference

階調 translates as tone, 硬調 on the high side of the up/down scale means high contrast

色調 translates as colour tone.

So up is high contrast, down is low contrast, left is low saturation, right is high saturation.

Big gaping holes all over the right side of that graph. Very disappointing Fujifilm!

Athiril · Jan 16, 2017

There's Velvia and Provia for that

RattyMouse · Jan 17, 2017

Athiril said:
There's Velvia and Provia for that

That's a chart of color negative films. You should not have to give up exposure latitude if you want increased color saturation.

God I miss Reala film. The most amazing film I've ever had the pleasure to shoot.

Craig · Jan 21, 2017

RattyMouse said:
Big gaping holes all over the right side of that graph. Very disappointing Fujifilm!

Or these days, be glad you have a choice aside from "take it or leave it".

carlostaiwan · Mar 27, 2017

ericdan said:
They are both made in Japan. Probably the same.
Lexus used to have Toyota logos here in Japan. They just recently labeled the luxury models Lexus here.
what research are you doing?

I'm making a list of all the available color negative films worldwide. And shooting all of them in similar(ish) conditions, a colorchart, light . It all started as a game for myself to see what film should I stick to, but i decided to put the results online as a kind of informal review you can take a look, it's on my bio, critics are welcome!

carlostaiwan · Mar 27, 2017

dE fENDER said:
No, these are totally different films. For the correct answer for this or similar question you have to make a simple thing - open the datasheets and compare graphs. Venus 800 probably is better, cause it's Dmax is higher.
Venus 800 datasheet: http://fujifilm.jp/support/filmandcamera/download/pack/pdf/datasheet/ff_superiavenus800_001.pdf
Superia X-tra datasheet: http://www.fujifilmusa.com/shared/bin/AF3-068E.PDF

Thank you! that was really helpful~

flavio81 · Mar 27, 2017

RattyMouse said:
Big gaping holes all over the right side of that graph. Very disappointing Fujifilm!

Contrast makes the eye think the colors are saturated.
Difficult to introduce a low-contrast high-saturation film.

RattyMouse · Mar 28, 2017

flavio81 said:
Contrast makes the eye think the colors are saturated.
Difficult to introduce a low-contrast high-saturation film.

Reala 100 was a very nice attempt.

Rudeofus · Mar 28, 2017

flavio81 said:
Contrast makes the eye think the colors are saturated.
Difficult to introduce a low-contrast high-saturation film.

Kodak's Ektar is said to be more contrasty as other negative films, but sure has more latitude than slide films.

There were unsubstantiated rumors, that Kodak committed to focussing more on negative films and leaving the slide film market to Fuji, and vice versa. This might explain why Fuji is not overly active in the color negative film segment.

Superia Venus 800 = Superia X-TRA 800 ?

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