Super Angulon

[John cox]

I'm looking at getting a 65mm Super Angulon or a Grandagon and wondering what a good price is to pay, where I should look for one and if there is a better lens in that focal length and price range. It will be going on a 6x9 Fotoman camera and the primary purpose will be black and white negative film.
If you have any insight let me know.
Thanks,
John

 

[IanBb]

I do a lot of work with a 6x7/6x9cm technical camera in B&W and my 65mm f5.6 Super-Angulon is almost always my preferred lens for architecture and landscape work. Bear in mind that on this firmat the image circle is effectively huge - easily 50mm of shift - so if you are using a rigid camera it is not even trying. For extreme shifts a centre filter is a good idea, but for more moderate use you can get away without most of the time.
My opinion - a very good lens, but if you are not going to shift then you can probably get away with something cheaper.
I'm in the UK, so can't comment on Canada/US prices I'm afraid.

 

[John cox]

At some point I may put it on a camera with very limited movements (20mm rise). The main reason I like this is because its a very sharp low distortion (relatively speaking) lens on 4x5 and I can only imagine that would get much better in the centre.
I just found a 90mm locally today and I'm trying to decide if it might be what I'm looking for. It's supposedly off of a linhoff 6x9 camera or something similar (6x12, 6x17?) I never took a picture of it or got a good look but I'm not sure what version it is or whether its worth the $250-$400 I would have to pay for it. KEH has a Super Angulon for 399.00 but I would like to support my local shop.
Any Idea how common these lenses are and their quality?

 

[werra]

65/8 and especially 90/8 Super Angulons are very common and widely available, I would not pay over EUR100/USD150 for either. Great compact lenses you cannot go wrong with when using on camera with separate viewfinder.
YMMV but at least for me trying to use them with ground glass is whole different story unless done in the middle of the day with lots of light. For GG you would need 5.6 SA, or even better 4.5 Grandagon, both of which will probably fall into circa EUR350/USD450 price range and are much more heavier and bulkier.

 

[Ian Grant]

Just be aware that many of the earlier 65mm f8 Super Angulons are in the small fiddly Compur 00 shutters, If it's going to be scale focussed via a focus mount rather than on a screemn that's less of an issue. There's no Preview lever or T setting so to focus on a screen you have to set to B each time and use a locking cable release.

Ian

 

[John cox]

The Super Angulon at KEH is a f5.6 and after looking more thoroughly at their prices and your comments I'm going to tell my local dealer I'm not in the market for his lens. I'd really like that 65mm f8 you mentioned but can't find one anywhere. I'm looking on eBay, KEH, and several photo site's trade boards (I don't have access to the LF forum's trade board as I just joined).
I'm trying to decide now between a 90 f6.8 90 f8 or 65 f8 or spend more and get what I really want 65 f5.6. I'm leaning towards the 65 f5.6.

Thanks,
John

 

[Dan Fromm]

I don't think you looked on ebay.com. I just did and found your lens in several versions at widely dispersed prices. werra's comments about pricing are completely off the wall. Here are a few of the ones I found:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schneider-K...8-Lens-Shutter-for-Large-Format-/221156384586 This one is in a Prontor Press #00 shutter.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Angulon-1-8-65-Schneider-Kreuznach-USED-/281023455166 In #00 Synchro-Compur

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCHNEIDER-65MM-F5-6-SUPER-ANGULON-MC-LENS-/370689304831

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schneider-6...e-Format-Lens-Copal-Shutter-198-/200841750136

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCHNEIDER-K...ticoating-LENS-SINAR-WISTA-TOY0-/230869645069

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schneider-K...mm-f-8-Synchro-Compur-Large-4x5-/251172287067 in Synchro Compur #00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-ANGULON-65MM-F8-/120991590184 likewise

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schneider-Super-Angulon-5-6-65mm-Lens-Very-Clean-Ex-/400314971294 also

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schneider-Super-Angulon-5-6-65mm-Lens-Very-Clean-Ex-/400314971294

 

[John cox]

I think I just found one reasonably priced on eBay actually although I'm worried about rear elements,

Is this missing rear elements or is that just a spot to screw in a back cap?

 

[werra]

This looks like Angulon, not Super Angulon.

 

[John cox]

(http://www.ebay.ca/itm/200849575905...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_1084wt_1182) It is an Angulon, and I bought it. The f8 Super Angulons were going for 300+ this was under 200 and fit my image circle needs of 6x9 (no movements). I'll get a much better wide in a bit, but for now this is affordable and fits all my needs starting out.

 

[Neil Poulsen]

Personally, I wouldn't bother with the 65mm f8. I used one of these for 6x9. Get what you want, the f5.6 version. Watch for prices; you might be able to find one for around $450. I see them occasionally for that price, but not much lower.