Super 8 movie camera

Chan Tran · Dec 30, 2024

I think it's the same for the other models of the series the Canon 1014XLS used 8 AA batteries.

Donald Qualls · Dec 30, 2024

Super 8 was the last to the party, so to speak. Double 8 and Cartridge 8 were around before Kodak made the first Super 8 cartridge, but the cartridge loading and Kodak marketing (plus the more compact Super 8 cartridge form factor -- Cartridge 8 was twice the size and made of metal, so heavy, as well as the cameras being made of metal) let Super 8 just about push the other 8 mm formats out of the market -- standard Kodak operation, in other words, but it worked better than 620 had (more like 126 and then 110).

Chan Tran · Dec 30, 2024

You must be rich to shoot Super 8 these days.

Dan Fromm · Dec 30, 2024

Rosssiiii said:
My idea was to use a super 8 camera to have an experience with that, years ago i have started to use 35mm film camera and 6x4.5 and i have enjoyed a lot the film experience, very different from modern photography, i appreciate more.

How you can understand that the filming speed is fine with that test , explain me better please ?

But for video, Super 8 was the most used standard in amatorial world right ?

35mm is just for photography or i'm wrong ?

So these Canon XL models as the 514,814 or the 1014 should have parfocal lenses right ?

What batteries are used to turn the motor and to check that it works ?

what brand is that "Beaulieus" , it was popular as the canon ?

that Beaulieus looks like it has interchangeable lenses, are there any super 8 cameras (or a bit more new but still analogue camera) whose lenses are interchangeable and can also be mounted on ML cameras using special adapters?

ChatGPT? By ignorant fools for ignorant fools.

If you have the money, go ahead. If you want to make movies, think seriously about shooting digital using a digital SLR. For amateurs, much less expensive.

The standard S8 shooting speed is 18 frames per second. In video-speak, images per second. I've tested my Beaulieu cameras by shooting the dial of a digital wristwatch that indicates time to 1/100 second, then counted 100 frames, calculated elapsed time and divided.

Don't call film video. The most widely use amateur cine format was probably Regular 8, also called 8/8. Same width as S8, different perforations, can't be intercut with S8. S8 largely displaced 8/8 but 8/8 film is still available and there's tons of used equipment gathering dust. Many interchangeable lens cameras, few SLRs with interchangeable lenses.

35 mm film is the original cine format, invented by Thomas Edison (we unitedstatesians say, the French don't agree). Never an amateur format. Hollywood standard for over 100 years. Frame size 18x24 mm. 35 mm still (36x24) is double frame Edison format.

All S8 cameras' zoom lenses are supposed to be parfocal. Many, especially after considerable use, are not.

Usually AA. Beaulieus have their own NiCd batteries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaulieu_(company) More popular than Canon? Absolutely not. MUCH more expensive than most Canon S8 cameras. The same is true of top-of-the-line Bauer, Nikon and Nizo.

As far as I know -- if I'm mistaken, I hope someone will correct me -- the only S8 SLR cameras with interchangeable lenses are Beaulieu (most, not all, models) and the Fujica ZC1000. The Fuji shoots Single 8 film; same width and perforations as S8, so can be intercut, different and completely incompatible cartridge.

The S8 SLRs with interchangeable lenses use lenses in C mount, flange-to-film distance 17.526 mm, and designed to cover the S8 frame. Won't cover any digital camera's sensor. I don't know whether there are mirrorless digicams with a shorter f-to-f distance.

I don't mean to insult you, but you don't know enough about cine equipment to spend money you can't afford to lose on it. I've recommended one book. Buy it and read it. If you are serious about making films, as opposed to playing around, get a copy of David Cheshire's The Book of Movie Photography. Used copies of both should be available from on-line used book stores.

Kino · Dec 30, 2024

Dan Fromm said:
As far as I know -- if I'm mistaken, I hope someone will correct me -- the only S8 SLR cameras with interchangeable lenses are Beaulieu (most, not all, models) and the Fujica ZC1000. The Fuji shoots Single 8 film; same width and perforations as S8, so can be intercut, different and completely incompatible cartridge.

Yeah, pretty much unless you count the much more exotic conversions of Bolex Rex 16mm cameras to Double Super 8mm. Canon made a Double Super 8 conversion of a 16mm Scoopic, but it had a fixed zoom lens. Canon hawked the Scoopic to TV News Stations in the USA just prior to the explosion of portable video recording units, so they are very, very rare to find. I have only seen one and it had a Nagra SN tape recorder attached to the other side of the 400 foot magazine.

If you want to talk expensive, explore Double Super 8mm! Yeah, you can run 400 foot loads (x2 = 800 feet), but the cost of a roll of 400 foot double super 8mm is staggering now (when you can find it).

Anyway, getting off in the weeds...

Harry Callahan · Dec 30, 2024

Dan Fromm said:
Thanks very much for the correction. I suppose I'm glad that it is still available, but oh! the price. Prohibitive isn't a strong enough word.

You`re welcome, but this vendor is around with Single-8 for only one or two years, it`s pretty new. And the price for film of course has risen - but in europe one Super 8 cartridge of E100D is about 60€ without development, so Single-8 can be pretty competitive in europe. These Single-8 cartridges here include development, as they want them back to refill.
They re-use these cartridges, they don`t have new ones.

EDIT:

There also was a DS8-version of the Pathè Webo. Also for interchangeable c-mount lenses.

Rosssiiii · Dec 30, 2024

Dan Fromm said:
ChatGPT? By ignorant fools for ignorant fools.

If you have the money, go ahead. If you want to make movies, think seriously about shooting digital using a digital SLR. For amateurs, much less expensive.

The standard S8 shooting speed is 18 frames per second. In video-speak, images per second. I've tested my Beaulieu cameras by shooting the dial of a digital wristwatch that indicates time to 1/100 second, then counted 100 frames, calculated elapsed time and divided.

Don't call film video. The most widely use amateur cine format was probably Regular 8, also called 8/8. Same width as S8, different perforations, can't be intercut with S8. S8 largely displaced 8/8 but 8/8 film is still available and there's tons of used equipment gathering dust. Many interchangeable lens cameras, few SLRs with interchangeable lenses.

35 mm film is the original cine format, invented by Thomas Edison (we unitedstatesians say, the French don't agree). Never an amateur format. Hollywood standard for over 100 years. Frame size 18x24 mm. 35 mm still (36x24) is double frame Edison format.

All S8 cameras' zoom lenses are supposed to be parfocal. Many, especially after considerable use, are not.

Usually AA. Beaulieus have their own NiCd batteries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaulieu_(company) More popular than Canon? Absolutely not. MUCH more expensive than most Canon S8 cameras. The same is true of top-of-the-line Bauer, Nikon and Nizo.

As far as I know -- if I'm mistaken, I hope someone will correct me -- the only S8 SLR cameras with interchangeable lenses are Beaulieu (most, not all, models) and the Fujica ZC1000. The Fuji shoots Single 8 film; same width and perforations as S8, so can be intercut, different and completely incompatible cartridge.

The S8 SLRs with interchangeable lenses use lenses in C mount, flange-to-film distance 17.526 mm, and designed to cover the S8 frame. Won't cover any digital camera's sensor. I don't know whether there are mirrorless digicams with a shorter f-to-f distance.

I don't mean to insult you, but you don't know enough about cine equipment to spend money you can't afford to lose on it. I've recommended one book. Buy it and read it. If you are serious about making films, as opposed to playing around, get a copy of David Cheshire's The Book of Movie Photography. Used copies of both should be available from on-line used book stores.

I'm not going to do anything professional with S8.
anyway wish was to take a roll of S8 and review it using a projector, I don't know how difficult it can be to find a projector on the used market and digitalise.

Yes i forget the fact that the interchangeable lens from a S8 would not cover bigger sensors of any modern camera..

Many interchangeable lens cameras, few SLRs with interchangeable lenses.

Canon 514,814,1014 don't work as SLR ?

Is possible to develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?

Chan Tran · Dec 30, 2024

Rosssiiii said:
I'm not going to do anything professional with S8.
anyway wish was to take a roll of S8 and review it using a projector, I don't know how difficult it can be to find a projector on the used market and digitalise.

Yes i forget the fact that the interchangeable lens from a S8 would not cover bigger sensors of any modern camera..

Canon 514,814,1014 don't work as SLR ?

Is possible to develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?

Rent the new Kodak super 8 for a day and then send the film out for process and scanning

Dan Fromm · Dec 30, 2024

Rosssiiii said:
Canon 514,814,1014 don't work as SLR ?

Is possible to develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?

Those three cameras have fixed zoom lenses. 5x, 8x and 10x respectively. By the way, Canon made a number of different S8 cameras with 8x zoom lenses.

To be projected, as opposed to be scanned or, eventually, printed, cine films need reversal processing.

BUY THE BOOKS, READ THE BOOKS.

Harry Callahan · Dec 30, 2024

Rosssiiii said:
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Is possible to develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?develop these films using the same liquids used for black and white film in cameras?

Well... yes, but... this would make things even more complicated. First you needed a B&W Super 8 film - like Tri-X for example - and yes, you could use chemistry for B&W photo films.
But then you end up with a negative, for projection you want to have a positive - this means reversal development. You also can project a negative, but you probably know what B&W negatives look like.
Reversal development means you have to do six developing steps - instead of two steps for negative development - this means more time and more (harmful) chemicals.

And of course you need a developing tank which can take up 50ft of 8mm wide film - developing tanks for photo negatives take up about 5ft and some of the spirals only go down to 16mm width; some spirals only are for 35mm film width.
Such developing tanks are around, most used, for about 200$ and more.
You also should have a dark room and enough space to dry 50ft of film in one piece.

It's a good idea to read a book about this first, there`s a lot to learn about this or you end up frustrated and loose quite some money.

Rosssiiii · Feb 27, 2025

Hello

It's been a long time since I opened this thread.
I had the chance to get my hands on a Canon 514xls today but it seems to be broken because when I press the button the motor doesn't turn and only the red light comes on, as you can see the mechanical part in the compartment where the super 8 film should be also rises.

Code:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-aykv8iGoY&list=PLbknhnjWQGJV7kyVfMID_6oihf4y6MniQ&index=2&t=9s

or is there some setting that I haven't set properly ? i have set the "R" mode but don't work, and if you set "1" you can't even press it.

but I can see the red light that turns on when I check the battery and when I start pressing the shutter button, I see that it indicates the aperture that will be used based on the light of the scene. the focus seems to remain constant even when changing the focal length, however I tried it with the manual zoom ring because pressing the buttons doesn't seem to work

perkeleellinen · Feb 27, 2025

I used to have that camera, it's nice. Looks like yours needs some attention, it's probably worth getting it fixed as it looks to be in good condition.

Nitroplait · Feb 27, 2025

Rosssiiii said:
is there some setting that I haven't set properly ?

I suggest you read the manual:

CANON CANOSOUND 514XL-S INSTRUCTIONS MANUAL Pdf Download

View and Download Canon Canosound 514XL-S instructions manual online. Canosound 514XL-S camcorder pdf manual download.

www.manualslib.com

Rosssiiii · Feb 27, 2025

Nitroplait said:
I suggest you read the manual:

CANON CANOSOUND 514XL-S INSTRUCTIONS MANUAL Pdf Download

View and Download Canon Canosound 514XL-S instructions manual online. Canosound 514XL-S camcorder pdf manual download.

www.manualslib.com

but in the manual they don't say if the motor should run even without the film inside ? i don't have a super 8 film

Nitroplait · Feb 27, 2025

Set the camera up to be ready to film according to the manual (but without film). Press the filming button.
If you have set the camera up correctly, the motor should now be running even without film. If it doesn’t run, your camera is defective

Most super 8 cameras are defective by now. They often depend on rubber belts that are near disintegrated with age - or the metering system has become faulty etc.

Rosssiiii · Feb 27, 2025

Nitroplait said:
Set the camera up to be ready to film according to the manual (but without film). Press the filming button.
If you have set the camera up correctly, the motor should now be running even without film. If it doesn’t run, your camera is defective

Most super 8 cameras are defective by now. They often depend on rubber belts that are near disintegrated with age - or the metering system has become faulty etc.

yes i did all is the correct way but at difference of what happening in that video: where the camera work even without the super 8 film inside mine don't !

now i don't know if i have to ship back or they refund me and let me keep the defective product, but in case i can keep would you be able to indicate me what is wrong when i will disassembly ?

Harry Callahan · Feb 27, 2025

You have a sound-camera there, this means it highly likely does have a rubber belt to drive the capstan wheel. If this belt has become sticky it may block the entire mechanism.
Disassembly of such cameras is very hard, you also need to un-solder electrical connections and its easy to break something. Certain parts are fine-adjusted, if you don`t have proper adjustment-tools you cannot reassemble proper.
If you plan to repair, try to get the service manual for this camera first, read through and estimate whether you`re capable of such a repair. In such service manuals often is a troubleshooting guide, indicating what can be the cause for a malfunction. If the motor of the camera doesn`t run, there should be possible reasons for this listed in the service manual.

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