Suggestions to alternate tray for 16x20 in Canada

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timbo10ca

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Since the Patterson trays are $30 a pop, I've been looking for a cheaper alternative that doesn't have really tall sides like you tend to find in hampers of this size. Is there any consideration needed for plastic type so as not to interfere with the chemicals?

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Try going to your local builders place [HD Rona etc] and look for washing machine trays. I can't remember how expensive -( What's wrong with high sides? You can always cut them -)
 

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There are plastic trays at the home center type places used for mortar mixing that you might look at (I assume Canada has similar stuff). I think they are in the sub $10 category. The sides might be five or six inches. Not sure about the dimensions, but I think there may be more than one size. One hazard of cutting side height down on many plastic containers is the rolls and shapes at the top are all that keeps the stuff from flopping around, removing it really hurts rigidity.

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Tim:

I have seen a few really large cat litter trays that are just barely big enough on the 16 inch dimension - I think they were about $15.00, at a local pet food and supply store.

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All you really need is a ~18" long, thin tray; you can keep the print moving in and out of the developer by hand. Some time ago I did a long pano print this way; I think it was something like 7" x24" and I used an 8x10 tray. It was an upper-body toning exercise, but not too hard. As long as you keep the thing moving and sloshing, there are no streaks.

Then there is pvc- maybe you can make yourself a loading spool and slosh it as if you were developing a giant roll, or put it on a uniroller. You might consider that if this is going to be a regular thing for you, because it will save you a helluva lot of developer.
 

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How about a cardboard box lined with 6-mil builder's polyethylene [vapour barrier]? Employ creative use of double-sided tape on the bottom and duct tape on the sides? Throw the whole thing in your neighbourhood plasma incinerator when through [threw?] with it.
 

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wall paper trough - see -saw the print through the developer. Remove the centre spool meant to support the walll paper or risk scratching the emulsion. Likely too rough to develop FB, but works fine for RC. I have bought a tray for the 20x24 that I also have acquired.
 
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Switch to single tray processing.

Interesting..... This would also solve a "lack of space" problem...... I'm wondering how good of a rinse after fixing would be required to clean the tray out enough to avoid contamination of the developer when poured back in for the next print.

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Plant stores that sell the trays for tomatoes, flowers, sensi, woops did I say that.
they have all kinds of various size trays , I use the very large ones for murals.
 

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$30 a tray is expensive, but this is a once-in-a-lifetime purchase. (I've never broken or destroyed a tray.) I'd probably just spend $120 on four trays (developer, stop, fix, and hypo clearing agent, in case I wanted to do fibre at that size), grimace and complain about the bill, and then forget about what they cost for the next thirty years. :smile:
 

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What about this? http://www.rubbermaid.com/rubbermaid/product/product.jhtml?prodId=HPProd100250 There are several storage products like this, from other brands too, you can get at Wal-Mart or Canadian Tire.

Regards, Art.

Art:

I've looked at Rubbermaid et al, and have yet to find any tray like products that have a short dimension greater than 16 inches, except things like underbed storage units that have a long dimension that is much, much longer than 20 inches.

With respect to the comment about these things lasting forever, as a coincidence last night, for the very first time ever, I broke a tray. It is amazing what dropping a full 18 liter water bottle on something can do:sad:.

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With respect to the comment about these things lasting forever, as a coincidence last night, for the very first time ever, I broke a tray. It is amazing what dropping a full 18 liter water bottle on something can do:sad:.

Oops. That will indeed do it.

Remind me not to repeat your experiment. :smile:

(Better a tray than your foot, by the way.)
 

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Art:

With respect to the comment about these things lasting forever, as a coincidence last night, for the very first time ever, I broke a tray. It is amazing what dropping a full 18 liter water bottle on something can do:sad:.

Matt

Are you sure that wasn't the RRSP mutual funds that dropped on your tray? (a little dark humour)
 

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Interesting..... This would also solve a "lack of space" problem...... I'm wondering how good of a rinse after fixing would be required to clean the tray out enough to avoid contamination of the developer when poured back in for the next print.

Tim

Single tray is great for space issues. I think it is also cleaner with less cross contamination of chemicals. I have a hose attached to my faucet and use that to rinse/wash trays.

If I am processing a single print, I drop the exposed paper into the tray (no need to dry between prints) and then pour in the developer while stepping on the timer's footswitch. As the time expires, I lift the tray and pour the developer into its beaker. The print sticks to the bottom of the tray. Then I pour in stop bath. I swirl it around a couple of times to make sure the print is submerged and then pour the stop bath back into its beaker. Then I use the hose and circle the rim of the tray and then the inside. I pour out the water and repeat once or twice. Does not take long and I don't use large volumes. Then I do two fixer baths consecutively, rinse again, hypo clear, rinse. then the print goes to the washer. No tongs, nothing touches the print, no creasing a wet print dragging it from tray to tray.

After I arrive at a final printing sequence, I usually expose several sheets the same way so I have copies. I store them in a paper safe. Then I batch process. For that I use up to 8 (8x10) or 4 (16x20) at once. I fill a separate beaker with water as a hand wash. I wear latex gloves and dip them in the wash beaker between steps. I fill the developer tray with solution and then insert the exposed paper one by one in rapid succession and kick the timer. I develop to completion for 3 minutes with fresh developer so I don't see much variation. I continuously interleave the paper sheets as they are processed just like tray processing film. Fiber based paper sheets glide over one another and separate easily. RC paper is a nuisance to batch process because the sheets tend to adhere to one another. After the Hypo Clear stage I use selenium toner (but I usually tone just one sheet first to verify the time before doing a whole batch).

By working this way, I can be fairly efficient with time and chemicals.

For 8x10 and 11x14, I use a Patterson 14x17 tray with 2000 ml of solutions.
For 16 x 20 or 20x24 I use the same size tray with 4000 ml of solutions.

In terms of cost, beakers can cost as much as trays. I get mine from US Plastics and they are reasonable but the 4000 ml beakers (hard to find) start to get pricey. I think the 2000 ml beakers are ~$5-6. They are plastic and graduated so I mix the solutions from stock in the beakers.
 

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Just procure a single tray and follow the one tray processing sequence in this article: www.heylloyd.com/technicl/acid_free.htm The article goes into a number of subjects but does describe an interesting one tray philosophy.

Keep your eyes out on craigslist - a lot of lab equipment comes up there.

C
 

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I got some big seed trays from my local garden centre. They are good because they have grooves in the bottom to get the tongues under the paper. Make sure you don't get the ones with the holes :wink:
 

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Keep an active eye on on craigslist. I picked up 5 Patterson 16x20 trays for 3 bucks each, along with some cheap easels.
 

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I bought my trays on eBay and got a set of 4 for about $12.00 USD, of course there was shipping added on to that. You can get some good deals on eBay if you take the time to search and compare prices. I've bought most of my darkroom stuff there as Craig's list here is pretty sparse. I was negotiating for a Beseler 45 with a local guy but he seems to have disappeared on me. Hopefully he will turn up soon. I'd love to be able to shoot 4X5 prints with my NewVue Camera.

Michael
 
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