Interesting..If you are picky about your process, you use stop bath; if you aren’t, you don’t. The only question is do you want to stop development uniformly at a certain time or not. Precision or sloppiness, your choice. But it isn't essential; it just eliminates a variable. And it doesn’t require a four month debate. Is this what film proponents have come to? Endless debates about stop bath? Or the ongoing month long debate: Strap or no strap? I guess you are really in your element here. Like a bunch of old geezers gathering at the donut shop every morning for coffee to talk about the good old days of APUG. It's suicidal.
If you are picky about your process, you use stop bath; if you aren’t, you don’t. The only question is do you want to stop development uniformly at a certain time or not. Precision or sloppiness, your choice. But it isn't essential; it just eliminates a variable. And it doesn’t require a four month debate. Is this what film proponents have come to? Endless debates about stop bath? Or the ongoing month long debate: Strap or no strap? I guess you are really in your element here. Like a bunch of old geezers gathering at the donut shop every morning for coffee to talk about the good old days of APUG. It's suicidal.
Hang in there John! I was ten or eleven when I first learned to use "acid" stop and the reason why being: "to immediately stop development" which I would think everyone developing film and even prints would want to do.. There are other good reasons to use it but stopping development is the most important. After seventy years, I can't see why there is even a discussion about it. Our tap water and I assume distilled water has a Ph of 7 (neutral) but I know of cities whose tap water is alkaline which, I am told, causes the film to continue to develop until it is placed in the fix which will kill the fix sooner than later. Saving such a little time for questionable repeatability just isn't worth it. As to pin holes caused by the stop, never had any..........Regards!"suicidal"? Gosh, I really appreciate how you incisively step in to put an end to the debate. How I wish you could have been around 13 years ago when I posted the original question! Heck, I'd have taken the thread right down had I known that I was boring you with all of my silly talk of precision. What a fool I am to want better control of the development of a permanent image (... that would be the negative image ...) that could be the master for the prints I sell!
What a bizarre way to describe your disrespect for the craft of photography. Who are you to say what requires a 4 month debate? You argue for sloppiness over precision? I wish you could have participated in an Ansel Adams or John Sexton workshop. You'd learn a few things from these precise old geezers who incidentally made photographs of incomparable quality. I know, I know... quality is so boring and nobody under the age of 30 has the patience for it.
Hardly. In the 45 years I have been a photographer, I have never not used stop bath for film and prints. It is as simple as reading the instructions.You argue for sloppiness over precision? I wish you could have participated in an Ansel Adams or John Sexton workshop. You'd learn a few things from these precise old geezers who incidentally made photographs of incomparable quality. I know, I know... quality is so boring and nobody under the age of 30 has the patience for it.
I do not reuse the fixer when i process my films so no wary about exhaustion of fixer. The fixer i use is from ilfod that is acidic, so as soon i dump developer off of tank i pure fixer that immediately stops development and starts washing out unexposed silver. Do not see so much complexity in my workflow.
Cheers.
Hardly. In the 45 years I have been a photographer, I have never not used stop bath for film and prints. It is as simple as reading the instructions.[/QUOTE][QUOTE="John M Austin, post: 2142657, member: 88028"You argue for sloppiness over precision? I wish you could have participated in an Ansel Adams or John Sexton workshop. You'd learn a few things from these precise old geezers who incidentally made photographs of incomparable quality. I know, I know... quality is so boring and nobody under the age of 30 has the patience for it.
Take your pick. But I'm not going to go down the stop bath rabbit hole with you.And which instructions might you be referring to?
What a complete waste of chemicals. I am glad that you are no may accountant nor finance advisor.
The cool thing with fix is that it's super easy to test it (you can just use a film leader) and then you know when to throw it out without guessing or waste.I know, i should of mention that i did not bring the digital photography habits in to the film one. I do not shoot "every moving object." My 120 roll is last at least one month. I would guess that you will be able to use the same fixer for at least two rolls without any concern of exhaustion by skipping the stop bath.
Cheers.
Take your pick. But I'm not going to go down the stop bath rabbit hole with you.
What are my practices?You are in the rabbit hole. There are excellent reasons why your practices are not well considered. Only pyro uses water as a stop bath with the appropriated fixer.
Ron, faberryman writes his own instructions. He's an expertThese?
Kodak B&W process manual.
Hardly. In the 45 years I have been a photographer, I have never not used stop bath for film and prints. It is as simple as reading the instructions.
My use of stop bath has nothing to do with uncertain tap water ph.Faberryman was being clever with his use of the double-negative. He is really saying that he's always used a stop bath. He (like myself) believes in the value of the stop bath when living in areas of uncertain tap water ph.
I cannot believe there have been 128,000+ views and 570 posts on a topic as mundane as whether or not to use stop bath. Photography just isn’t that complicated.
What a waste of effort to teach simple chemistry to some of you.
PE
Ron, faberryman writes his own instructions. He's an expert
I can add no more!
Terry S
Also note that Kodak and Fuji have made processors that use no stopbath or water rinse for commercial B&W filmprocessing, going straight from the developer to the fixer.
Ian
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