Start with Bromo-oil

[SadowskiPL]

Hello...
I want to start taking pictures in bromooil process...
Can i use a bleach from Sepia Toner Foma ? or must do it myself ?
Paper... i want use a foma baryt ( karton).
Somebody can help me with this ?
To made prints I use Tetenal Eukobrom developer and Tetenal Superfix Plus Fixer.

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

I think that very few papers are still good for the bromoil process, but I know that Gene Laughter, a bromoil artist extraordinare, has promoted Kentmere Fineprint VC Warmtone.

The question about bleach and whether the Foma baryta paper is suitable, somebody else will have to answer.

Thanks,

- Thomas

 

[gandolfi]

Hello...
I want to start taking pictures in bromooil process...
Can i use a bleach from Sepia Toner Foma ? or must do it myself ?
Paper... i want use a foma baryt ( karton).
Somebody can help me with this ?
To made prints I use Tetenal Eukobrom developer and Tetenal Superfix Plus Fixer.

nono...
that won't do!
you have to use a special bromoil bleach, and be sure to use fix without hardener, when you make your first print!
Superfix is a nono!
(but TETENAL makes a fix called "Variofix" (which is a powder), and it works well for me.

Gene IS the man to talk to here, as I have never had success in using "normal" papers for bromoil.

I use Liquid emulsion, and here the bleach is slightly different than the one Gene uses.

look here for inspiration and so on.. http://home.earthlink.net/~trans40/hopperlist/

 

[SadowskiPL]

Ok...
That formula will be ok ?
a) 750 ml water
b) 10 ml 28% acetic acid
c) 30g copper sulphate
d) 30g potassium bromide
e) 2g potassium dichromate
f) water to 1000ml until shadows remain as a pale green trace
I can do fixer...
I live in Poland... we have Ilford, Foma, Tetenal and Foton Papers ( Bydgoskie zakłady Fotograficzne)

 

[SadowskiPL]

ok...
Next ...
This oil paint will be good for gumoil technic ?
701 Ivory Black Talens Amsterdam ? 200ml
In Poland this cost about 16PLN that is 5,8$ ( 2,75PLN / 1$)
Or to bromoil and another technics i can use a Litographic ink Charbonell Black Velvet 200ml 45,2PLN (16,43$) ??
The Fabriano Tela papers (300g) can be good for gum and gumoil technic ?
To gumoil I must use a transparent positive or negative ?

 

[Gene_Laughter]

Ilford MG matte paper is somewhat "bromoil friendly" and a number of bromoilists are using it. My favorite paper for bromoil is Kentmere Fineprint Neutral tone, not Warmtone (it won't work!) semi-matte finish. Good luck!

Gene

 

[Gene_Laughter]

Foma Variant IV velvet VC FB is an excellent paper for bromoil.

Gene

 

[Loris Medici]

...The Fabriano Tela papers (300g) can be good for gum and gumoil technic? To gumoil I must use a transparent positive or negative ?

Sadowski,

Fabriano Tela disintegrates in water, therefore isn't suitable for both gum and gumoil processes.

For gumoil you have to use a positive (for gum a negative). Practice with gum first, when you get a hold then try gumoil... The best starter paper for gum is Fabriano Artistico BTW.

Hope this helps,
Loris.

 

[SadowskiPL]

Hello,
Can i use for gum bichromate process this paints ?
http://www.sklepplastyczny.pl/akwarele-van-gogh-381_90/
or http://www.szal-art.pl/farby-wodne/...arele-cotman-winsor-newton-w-tubkach-8-ml.htm
or Earth Pigments ?
And paper:
http://www.szal-art.pl/papier-bloki...larski-montval-canson-300g-18x25cm-12-ark.htm
http://www.szal-art.pl/papier-bloki...kwareli-blok-18x24-cm-10-arkuszy-300-gram.htm <- this is with 15% of cotton

Can you help me ? I don't have access to papers like Fabriano Artistico etc..

 

[SadowskiPL]

Hmmm...
next problem, the UV light source.
Can I use a Fluorescent lamps like this ?

or halogene , the UV lamps is not for my wallet...
And please... Reply..

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

I can't help you with the paints and papers. Any paper that is dimensionally stable after soaking in water several times would be suitable for gum.

The lamp - I don't know! Does it have a curve that shows the spectrum of light it produces? I've never used a UV light source, but it seems to me to be an integral and important part of the process.

Why not start with bromoil, which is based on regular standard black & white silver prints on certain papers (according to Gene), and requires MINIMAL investment?!
Then save up for a proper UV lamp. At least you'll be busy in the meantime

- Thomas

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

Black Light Bulb:

http://www.bostick-sullivan.com/cart/product.php?productid=852&cat=0&page=1&featured

It's 24 US Dollars. Since you run 220V in Poland, I'm sure you can get a step-down transformer with a 120V secondary pretty inexpensively.

- Thomas

 

[SadowskiPL]

hmm. Better I find this lamp in my coutry...
Size paper.. Formaldehyde ?

 

[Gene_Laughter]

My old brain can't keep up here. We started with Bromoil, shifted gears to Gumoil - and then moved to Gum? Three totally differing processes! :>)

Cheers,

Gene

 

[SadowskiPL]

That's right ... better this in one topic, not three .
The Gum process is 100% for future of this topic

The Shopping list for next day:

Gum arabic 100g - 13,20zł
Paper Fabriano Gamma 300g, blok 18x24 cm, 10 ark - 8,4zł (2x) - 16,80zł
Paper Fabriano Gamma 300g, blok 30x40 cm, 10 ark - 21,60zł
= 38,40zł
[]------------------------------------------------------------[]
Watercolor Paint Van Gogh 10ml tube:
- 403 Vandyke brown
- 411 Burnt sienna
- 508 Prussian blue
- 701 Ivory black
- 533 Indigo
=33,5zł
RENESANS Tempera 100 ml 4,90zł:
- 22/ black
- 20/ brown van dyck
= 9,80zł
Earth pigments:
Ferric black 318, intensive
= 8,2zł
Total: 103zł = 34,91$ ......

What watercolor paint will you advise?
Some yellow & magenta ?
Somebody can change topic to " Starting Gum " or something ?

 

[phritz phantom]

Ilford MG matte paper is somewhat "bromoil friendly" and a number of bromoilists are using it. My favorite paper for bromoil is Kentmere Fineprint Neutral tone, not Warmtone (it won't work!) semi-matte finish. Good luck!

Gene

is kentmere fineprint neutral glossy finish good too?
if it is, i might give bromoil a try.