Show us a backlit photo of the negatives that you consider "thin" - we might be able to help.
Here are some hints on ways to do that: https://www.photrio.com/forum/resou...nsparencies-for-troubleshooting-purposes.461/
As a complete beginner, it looked "easy" on paper.
My very first attempt to develop B&W film was almost a year ago. I used Rodinal + stand development and the result was awful. Since then I have learned that my negatives were "thin" which means they were insufficiently developed. I think I remember hearing at the time that stand development does something similar to a "pull". Thinking back to my thin negatives, I guess that makes sense.
My question is: If stand development is similar to a pull, does that mean I can get good negatives by overexposing the film?
So if I'm shooting Kentmere 400, I could set my camera to ISO 200 or even ISO 100, and then stand develop. Does this make sense, or am I way off base? If this strategy works, how much should I overexpose the film by? Does it depend on the film?
Possible goals - highly variable depending on developer / film
Tradeoffs
- Enhanced edge effects
- Flattening of highlight contrast (and/or shadows) relative to midtones
- Slight increase in emulsion speed / EI
- More difficult to control degree of development
- Poor uniformity
not having to worry about screwing up the development time or agitation
Downside: severe tonal compression. Bromide drag. Mottling...
That's very helpful. Yeah, for me those tradeoffs outweigh the potential benefits. The one and only thing that made stand development attractive was not having to worry about screwing up the development time or agitation --- "am I agitating the right way?... Is this too much?... crap I forget to set my timer!"
My very first attempt to develop B&W film was almost a year ago. I used Rodinal + stand development and the result was awful. Since then I have learned that my negatives were "thin" which means they were insufficiently developed. I think I remember hearing at the time that stand development does something similar to a "pull". Thinking back to my thin negatives, I guess that makes sense.
My question is: If stand development is similar to a pull, does that mean I can get good negatives by overexposing the film?
So if I'm shooting Kentmere 400, I could set my camera to ISO 200 or even ISO 100, and then stand develop. Does this make sense, or am I way off base? If this strategy works, how much should I overexpose the film by? Does it depend on the film?
For this reason - IMHO - if you are new to film development, it is NOT recommended that you start with long, dilute, low agitation schemes. You should work instead to master conventional agitation methods first. These more esoteric schemes like stand, two bath, SLIMT and the like should be attempted only after you really master how to develop the "normal" way.
That's very helpful. Yeah, for me those tradeoffs outweigh the potential benefits. The one and only thing that made stand development attractive was not having to worry about screwing up the development time or agitation --- "am I agitating the right way?... Is this too much?... crap I forget to set my timer!"
Man... That was several months ago. I'm not sure where I have the negatives. But I do have a couple of photos that I took of them at the time [attached]. Sorry they're not properly backlist. But I think you'd agree that they don't show as much detail as the ones in the page you linked to. I can also tell you that, in hindsight, I chose a poor film for my first roll. --- It was Wofen NP400.
Trying to learn from that experience, for my next film I grabbed Kentmere 400 and I switched to the standard recommended process for 1+50 Rodinal. Once again, I don't know where I have the negatives, but I also have a photo that I took of them at the time [attached]. These looked much better, and they are much closer to the negatives in the page you linked to.
At the time, my take-away was that stand development sucks. But from what you wrote, it now sounds like I might have underexposed Wolfen NP400; I'm going to speculate that the film's true ISO is much less than 400.
In any event, over the past several months I've been doing other things. Most recently I've been shooting color and sending the film to a lab. Then I decided I want to develop film at home again. A few days ago I asked a question about C-41, and today I thought I'd ask about B&W stand development.
Can you give me a sense of what the downsides of stand development are? As a complete beginner, it looked "easy" on paper.
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