Spilled HC110. Potential damage to wood shelf?

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I have a question about a minor chemical spill, and an unrelated, but coincidental mystery.

Found a brown streak from my chemical shelf down to a sink in the darkroom. Discovered that an old (2008ish) bottle of Kodak HC110 has cracked and some of the contents leaked out. The good news is that HC110 is a syrup and it didn’t just all pour out; and, that what did leak ran down the false wall (installed to hold up all sorts of shelves and darkroom do-dads) and into one of the sinks. Minimal harm done.

The bad news, the remaining developer went to disposal; and the shelf where it was sitting is pretty stained. The stain goes all the way through the wood and shows on the bottom. The shelf is a standard pine 1x6, painted with latex. The stains are minimal in the larger scheme of things, and do not bother me. (It’s a darkroom!)

However, my question is: When this stain dries, is the wood okay? Will it eventually do more damage to the wood? Should I replace the shelf? When it dries, will it be stable? (And, no doubt, get darker over time.)

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No need to discuss plastic bottles and storage options. I’ve been doing this for 50 years, and have worked in over 10 darkrooms with every conceivable product, and this is the first time I’ve had such an incident with a factory bottle. I’ll chalk it up to an anomaly.


However, as I was cleaning, I noticed another yellowish liquid on the floor under the cabinets that hold up the enlargers. WTH? It appeared to be coming out of one of the cabinets, one metal, one wood, as the puddle surrounded the adjacent feet of both of these cabinets. Both cabinets sit off of the floor on those threaded, adjustable feet. I had to move both 4x5 enlargers and timers, and all the other stuff I had sitting next to them, remove the counter top (fortunately it just sits there by gravity) and then get the metal cabinet out – which I thought might be the source of the liquid.

This was a mystery, since there are no liquids stored in either of these cabinets. However, the metal cabinet came from an office furniture surplus, and something could have been dormant all of these years. Who knows? Anyway, I get that cabinet out and the liquid is all on the floor. The undersides, and sidewalls and insides of both cabinets are quite dry and dusty. The only things wet are the two adjustable feet. No damage. So, I started cleaning up. Once I began soaking this stuff up and got a good wiff – mystery solved.

Dog urine! :mad:
 

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I would wash it several times over a week with the hottest water you can use and some Trisodium Phosphate TSP, which should take up the HC110 and most of the remaining paint around the stain (both sides).
Let it dry for a full week and then put a couple of coats of "Kills" or other stain concealer paint and then repaint the shelf. The wood will probably be fine...

Looks like Rover needs to stay out of the darkroom! :wink:
 

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In spite of the photos, I have a hard time thinking the hc-110 went through the wood. I'm thinking capillary action. The fact that there are "gaps" in the staining on the bottom is due to where it just happened to pool longer (or thinner paint). I think Kino's suggestion is good. The paint product is call "Kilz" and will be found in the store with other paint primers.
 
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Thanks. I am familiar with Kilz; have used it a lot. After some thought and research, I can replace the shelf with a new, painted board for a cost of $12. That would be much less labor and mess than the cleaning and repainting. Plus, I will bet that by the time I purchase TSP, Kilz, and new paint, it will add up to at least $12. :wondering:

Looks like Rover needs to stay out of the darkroom! :wink:
The little dog (bless her heart) was on pain killers from having a tooth extracted. Otherwise, we never have "accidents" from either of our dogs, so I am going to cut her some slack ...
 

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I had two cats that destroyed parts of my carpet covered wood floor. They were very sneaky about it and very hush hush, did not find out tell I pulled the carpet out.
 
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I bought a huge lot of used trays, 5x7, 8x10 and 11x14 size for cheap on eBay. Every bottle that I have in the darkroom that has a liquid in it sits in a tray. A 5x7 tray will hold several small 500ml-size bottles. Gallon jugs go in an 11x14 tray, etc., etc. This after a spill similar to the OP (failed plastic bottle with developer stock). I think it's cheap insurance.

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I would pour stop over it.
And then, fixer.
Then, i’d wash thoroughly.

If it doesn’t damage film, it won’t damage your wood :wink:
 

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I bought a huge lot of used trays, 5x7, 8x10 and 11x14 size for cheap on eBay. Every bottle that I have in the darkroom that has a liquid in it sits in a tray. A 5x7 tray will hold several small 500ml-size bottles. Gallon jugs go in an 11x14 tray, etc., etc. This after a spill similar to the OP (failed plastic bottle with developer stock). I think it's cheap insurance.

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Good idea. I have been doing that also but not "on purpose", and I have not been doing that with concentrated developers or fixers..........Regards!
 

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Boot trays work really well for what Doremus suggests.
 
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I would pour stop over it.
And then, fixer.
Then, i’d wash thoroughly.

If it doesn’t damage film, it won’t damage your wood :wink:

:laugh: Well, there is that, I could "develop" the shelf.

As for Doremus' suggestion, I used to keep several gallon jugs of distilled water "on hand" (from the grocer) and I learned to keep those in spill proof storage, as those jugs are not designed to hold up very long. I have three of those big, gray busing trays that they use in restaurants when clearing tables. I think I'll just start keeping liquid stock in those on the floor under the sinks. As for the shelf, the easiest and cheapest thing is to simply replace it.

Thanks, y'all.
 

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For what it's worth, I also had a bottle of HC-110 (German kind) crack on me. My crack was on the top. I develop B&W every couple months so I didn't notice for a while but when I got back to the bottle everything in it was the color of oxidized hc-110 and there was a clear crack across the top. I suspected it was caused by me trying to push the air out of the bottle. Perhaps this could explain your case too? Or they are just weak bottles.
 

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That is way mor
I would wash it several times over a week with the hottest water you can use and some Trisodium Phosphate TSP, which should take up the HC110 and most of the remaining paint around the stain (both sides).
Let it dry for a full week and then put a couple of coats of "Kills" or other stain concealer paint and then repaint the shelf. The wood will probably be fine...

Looks like Rover needs to stay out of the darkroom! :wink:
That is way more effort and expense than simply buying a new shelf.......:wink:

Anyway......... my bet is the shelf will be fine and there is nothing to worry about. :smile:
 

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That is way mor

That is way more effort and expense than simply buying a new shelf.......:wink:

Anyway......... my bet is the shelf will be fine and there is nothing to worry about. :smile:

Yeah, in retrospect, if it's dry, I would have just hit it with some Killz and repainted it to keep any residual HC110 from becoming airborne.
 

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If I would try to do it by myself, I would consider about wood router as well. I have awesome Bosch wood router from the website, which gave detailed recommendations and specification list, with comparison with all other models and their specifications as well. Bosch is the best manufacturer, in my opinion.
 
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