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Anyone ever had an urge to play around with a Crown/Speed Graphic? I ran across a super nice Speed Graphic 4x5 with 135 Graflex Optar 4.7 lens and all the goodies including flash gun, bulbs, case, etc but no film holders. Are those still obtainable in decent shape?
 

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Sure, all of that stuff is not hard to find. Mine is a Pacemaker Speed Graphic and it's in very good shape: both the focal plane and lens shutters seem accurate, the bellows is good, the rangefinder is good, and even the beam-focus works. Movements are adequate for what I do.

I have plenty of 4x5 film holders, but just one Grafmatic holder - which is a clever little mechanism.

Actually, the flash is a bit hard to find because the Star Wars folks appropriate them for Light Sabers.
 
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No time-just 20 minutes left on the auction.
 
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Well, I lost the bid by $40...maybe next time. It was a good one.
 

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Keep your eyes open - there are some more out there. And, no, I'm not selling mine. You can definitely find filmholders. If you get one with a good focal plane shutter, you can have fun making your own lenses and use barrel lenses as well. Lots of fun to be had. :smile:
 
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That was a little bit of a bummer as it looked like it was in such good condition. I did run across a Crown Graphic but, I don't know the difference between it and the Speed Graphic. I guess I need to look over that link Sirius provided.
 

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A Crown Graphic uses the shutter in the lens.
A Speed Graphic can use either the shutter in the lens or the focal plane shutter.
 
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I guess that's why the Speed Graphic can go up to 1000 due to the focal plane shutter...probably a bit heavier as well.
 

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I guess that's why the Speed Graphic can go up to 1000 due to the focal plane shutter...probably a bit heavier as well.

Yes, but with the Speed Graphic you can take photographs like this
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but you cannot do it with a Crown Graphic.
 
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The Crown Graphic goes up to 400th second...why not?
 

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The Crown Graphic goes up to 400th second...why not?

A clue for you.

Look at the wheels and people and telegraph poles and work out why they are leaning in opposite directions. Its not the lens doing the distorting.
 
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OK, I reckon I'm not getting it. Is that due to the shifts, tilts, etc? I know nothing about these sort of cameras.
 
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Looks like the leaf shutter is the better option of the two but I don't see how the focal plane shutter would cause that. If it causes that sort of distortion it's of little use.
 
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I ran across this statement..."Use of a slow speed focal plane shutter should produce noticeable "lean" when you pan to follow moving objects."

I guess that explains it.
 

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It only distorts when you photograph something moving. In the sample image the photographer panned the camera to follow the car, the wheels and people are leaning because the moving slit in the shutter captures the bottom of the photograph before the top. This type of photograph lead to the now iconic depiction of speed in illustrations by using similar distortion. If you are using a tripod to film still subjects you will never see this effect. The Crown does not have the focal plane shutter so cannot do this, the speed can do this but doesn't have to. The speed gives you the option of using this effect to imply motion in a way that a leaf shutter cannot.
 

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That slanting distortion is due to the slit in the focal plane shutter traveling vertically. The same thing happens to a lesser degree in smaller cameras with a focal plane shutter.

As for the camera you missed out on, the selling price was reasonable, considering the extras and its clean appearance. One can get by without the case, flash, and sync cords. Just the camera and a few film holders fit in smaller cases. Perhaps better yet, a small case for just the film holders and maybe a light meter, and carry the camera folded up for protection. When shopping for these cameras, if you never intend to use a focal plane shutter, the Crown Graphic may be a better choice than the slightly heavier and bigger Speed Graphic. The Crown may also be better with really wide angle lenses because the body is shallower due to the lack of focal plane shutter. Until one is familiar with Graphics, it's wise to have a knowledgeable photographer check the ads. Sometimes these cameras are missing small parts like a battery cover or infinity stops. Some sellers are also inexperienced with them, and can't advise a buyer on faults.

There are other press cameras that some photographers like as well as the Graphic line. B&J has a revolving back, handier than rotating a Graphic on a tripod. It also has more versatile front tilts, and it takes the once common 4" square lens boards that are easier to fabricate than the stamped aluminum boards for later Graphics. Even the old Anniversary model of Graphic is better for a very few uses. Other press cameras like the Busch, Meridian, and MPP each have their good points. The Linhof is prized by some owners, and priced accordingly.
 
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Sometimes these cameras are missing small parts like a battery cover or infinity stops. Some sellers are also inexperienced with them, and can't advise a buyer on faults.

That was one thing that trouble me as I could look at one and not know if something was missing or broken...or even if it came with the back or not. It's an entirely different animal than I'm use to.
 

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I guess that's why the Speed Graphic can go up to 1000 due to the focal plane shutter...probably a bit heavier as well.

The Crown Graphic goes up to 400th second...why not?

Because of the focal plane shutter the Speed Graphic can go to 1/1000 second. The lenses on the Speed Graphic and the Crown Graphic can only go as short as 1/400 second.
 

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Yes, but with the Speed Graphic you can take photographs like this
HENRY_LARTIGUE_aberration_RACE+CAR.jpg


but you cannot do it with a Crown Graphic.

A clue for you.

Look at the wheels and people and telegraph poles and work out why they are leaning in opposite directions. Its not the lens doing the distorting.

OK, I reckon I'm not getting it. Is that due to the shifts, tilts, etc? I know nothing about these sort of cameras.

The effect is caused by the focal plane shutter.

Looks like the leaf shutter is the better option of the two but I don't see how the focal plane shutter would cause that. If it causes that sort of distortion it's of little use.

I ran across this statement..."Use of a slow speed focal plane shutter should produce noticeable "lean" when you pan to follow moving objects."

I guess that explains it.

It only distorts when you photograph something moving. In the sample image the photographer panned the camera to follow the car, the wheels and people are leaning because the moving slit in the shutter captures the bottom of the photograph before the top. This type of photograph lead to the now iconic depiction of speed in illustrations by using similar distortion. If you are using a tripod to film still subjects you will never see this effect. The Crown does not have the focal plane shutter so cannot do this, the speed can do this but doesn't have to. The speed gives you the option of using this effect to imply motion in a way that a leaf shutter cannot.

That slanting distortion is due to the slit in the focal plane shutter traveling vertically. The same thing happens to a lesser degree in smaller cameras with a focal plane shutter.

As for the camera you missed out on, the selling price was reasonable, considering the extras and its clean appearance. One can get by without the case, flash, and sync cords. Just the camera and a few film holders fit in smaller cases. Perhaps better yet, a small case for just the film holders and maybe a light meter, and carry the camera folded up for protection. When shopping for these cameras, if you never intend to use a focal plane shutter, the Crown Graphic may be a better choice than the slightly heavier and bigger Speed Graphic. The Crown may also be better with really wide angle lenses because the body is shallower due to the lack of focal plane shutter. Until one is familiar with Graphics, it's wise to have a knowledgeable photographer check the ads. Sometimes these cameras are missing small parts like a battery cover or infinity stops. Some sellers are also inexperienced with them, and can't advise a buyer on faults.

There are other press cameras that some photographers like as well as the Graphic line. B&J has a revolving back, handier than rotating a Graphic on a tripod. It also has more versatile front tilts, and it takes the once common 4" square lens boards that are easier to fabricate than the stamped aluminum boards for later Graphics. Even the old Anniversary model of Graphic is better for a very few uses. Other press cameras like the Busch, Meridian, and MPP each have their good points. The Linhof is prized by some owners, and priced accordingly.

I sure stirred up a heap of trouble with this photograph!
HENRY_LARTIGUE_aberration_RACE+CAR.jpg
 
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