So what IS this lomo 400 film?

rpavich · Apr 2, 2017

I really like this Lomo 400 135 film and I was wondering what it actually is. The way I understand it, Lomography doesn't actually produce any film, they just rebrand existing film so I was curious if it equated to something else on the market.

https://shop.lomography.com/en/lomography-color-negative-400-iso-35mm-3-pack?country=us

keenmaster486 · Apr 2, 2017

We went through this before and I think we decided it's rebranded Kodak stock of some kind, probably the cheap consumer stuff...

Prest_400 · Apr 2, 2017

keenmaster486 said:
We went through this before and I think we decided it's rebranded Kodak stock of some kind, probably the cheap consumer stuff...

Yes, I recall we both discussed in a thread the topic.

I now have some results from it (scanned though). It is Kodacolor family, consumer type. Grainy and has an older look to it compared to Portra or Ektar (the latter is very punchy, if something is to be said).

keenmaster486 · Apr 2, 2017

Yes... But what about the 100 speed stuff?

I've shot some Lomo CN 100 and it definitely has a consumer grade look to it, not sure whether my stock was Kodak or Fuji or something else though cause it was a few years ago.

rpavich · Apr 2, 2017

Hmm...I wonder which Kodak...would it be something still available or do they only rebrand stuff that's discontinued or something?

keenmaster486 · Apr 2, 2017

Kodak Gold or Ultramax?

Gold/Ultramax only refers to speed right? So you have Gold 100/200 and Ultramax 400... right? EDIT: Wait, there's also Gold 400... what is the difference between Gold and Ultramax?

But then you have Lomography CN 800 as well. There isn't any Kodak brand consumer grade 800 speed film. It would have to be Fuji or something else.

Thorpelyon · Apr 2, 2017

I'm not sure what it is, but I recently shot a roll at ISO 100 by mistake, and the results were great!

rpavich · Apr 2, 2017

Thorpelyon said:
I'm not sure what it is, but I recently shot a roll at ISO 100 by mistake, and the results were great!

Oh...I'll keep that in mind..I just ordered 12 more rolls.

Prest_400 · Apr 2, 2017

keenmaster486 said:
Kodak Gold or Ultramax?

Gold/Ultramax only refers to speed right? So you have Gold 100/200 and Ultramax 400... right? EDIT: Wait, there's also Gold 400... what is the difference between Gold and Ultramax?

But then you have Lomography CN 800 as well. There isn't any Kodak brand consumer grade 800 speed film. It would have to be Fuji or something else.

Ultramax is the latest name for Gold. It's just a name and Kodak itself must have a product number instead. The iterations were marked in the edges as GC and 7 was the latest generation IIRC. Then the family is supposedly Kodacolor VR, or was in the 80s. But the current Lomo Kodacolor is not of course the same Kodacolor as 1980.

It's very plausible for all 100, 400 and 800 to be Kodak. Lomography is a big client and can do a contract coating of a Master roll. That through Kodak Alaris, a few years ago there was an announcement of their partnership.
PS: Kodak had Gold 100 and MAX 800 until 2013? There's also Some "pro" labelled Kodak film in select markets at ISO 100. Easily available for private labelling, perhaps Kodak itself doesn't want to market themselves.

Both the 100 and 400 are rather grainy (Compared to Portra and Ektar, but even Superia to my eyes), rather comparable to Fuji C200. Kodak Color Plus is another consumer product that is comparable.

Until a few years ago, Lomo CN was Ferrania and finished by Foma (120 had the same green-white-black backing paper signature). This single run of aged film was from that time. Nowadays Kodak coated and finished in 35mm "made in USA", to make matters funnier, the 120 says "made in China" - that could just be the finishing part of it as there are complaints on its strange backing paper. I still have to try it.
Downrating Color Negative is rather common practice and can be beneficial in some situations.

Adrian Bacon · Apr 8, 2017

I'm a Lomography dealer. I can ask my account rep. I may or may not get an answer, but it won't hurt to ask. All I know is that the CN100 and 400 sells like gang busters.

rpavich · Apr 8, 2017

Adrian Bacon said:
I'm a Lomography dealer. I can ask my account rep. I may or may not get an answer, but it won't hurt to ask. All I know is that the CN100 and 400 sells like gang busters.

Thanks! I just made another wet 8x10 and it's great looking!

Adrian Bacon · Apr 10, 2017

rpavich said:
Thanks! I just made another wet 8x10 and it's great looking!

From the account rep: It's not old discontinued film, but it is supplied to them fresh from a manufacturer, though which manufacturer was not divulged. If others think it's kodak from the look, then that's probably what it is, though actual confirmation of that was not forthcoming.

Berri · Apr 10, 2017

keenmaster486 said:
There isn't any Kodak brand consumer grade 800 speed film.

I believe they still produce some sort of consumer grade 800ISO film which is loaded into kodak disposable cameras

http://www.kodakmoments.com/products/consumer-film/

it says loaded with ultra max 800 iso film

Berri · Apr 10, 2017

the 100 ISO could be kodak colorplus 200 which I always expose at 100 with great results

Skai King · Apr 10, 2017

There's no data on the edge of the negatives?

keenmaster486 · Apr 10, 2017

I believe the negatives actually say "lomography" on them.

Berri · Apr 11, 2017

keenmaster486 said:
I believe the negatives actually say "lomography" on them.

in this case the only plausible answer is that either fuji or kodak produce film for them.

Berri · Apr 11, 2017

I just saw that these films are also available in 120 format. At the present time kodak doesn't produce any consumer grade film in this format, so it is definitely a special run made by kodak for lomography. The 100 ISO in 120 size is not available in this moment, don't know if this means that is discontinued or they're expecting a new batch.

StoneNYC · Apr 11, 2017

keenmaster486 said:
I believe the negatives actually say "lomography" on them.

You can usually tell by the ... "font" of the imprint, fuji and Kodak have different styles, that helps if you compare them you can usually figure it out.

rpavich · Apr 11, 2017

Here is a full sized image from flickr you can see the edge markings

Berri · Apr 11, 2017

that bar code is very similar to kodak gold 200, I don't have any ultramax 400 in hand so I can't say for sure, but I believe they would match

rpavich · Apr 12, 2017

Berri said:
that bar code is very similar to kodak gold 200, I don't have any ultramax 400 in hand so I can't say for sure, but I believe they would match

It certainly looks like it. Or Kodak Gold 400. The edge markings look the same to me.

Here is a sample from a flickr search for both. The 200 is the first image.

So if it is....then what does that mean? That I'm actually buying Kodak Gold?

carlostaiwan · Apr 12, 2017

I just developed one roll and was quite underexposed, It's only me? or everyone has the same problem?
*Underexposed a full stop, same camera, lens and developer that I always use (F100~24-120D)

rpavich · Apr 12, 2017

filmconquistador said:
I just developed one roll and was quite underexposed, It's only me? or everyone has the same problem?
*Underexposed a full stop, same camera, lens and developer that I always use (F100~24-120D)

What do the negs look like? I shot mine at either 250 or 320 I can't remember but I try and keep things a little bit on the over exposure side and rarely shoot 400 film at 400.

twelvetone12 · Apr 12, 2017

OT: How do you make nice color contact sheets like that??

So what IS this lomo 400 film?

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