Slide mounts-are they hard to get?

[chip j]

I want good ones, and only Gepe seems to be available.

 

[BrianShaw]

... and the problem with that is... what?

 

[chip j]

Gepes are pricey.

 

[BrianShaw]

Yes they are.

 

[mshchem]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/20598-REG/Gepe_457001_35mm_Glassless_Slide_Mounts.html

13 bucks for 100. These work great, I use the little press they make. I edit before I mount, usually only mount 10-12 slides per 36. I do a lot of auto bracketing with 35mm.

 

[Billy Axeman]

Now I see your problem, you want good slides that are also cheap.

 

[AgX]

Manufacturers of slide mounts:

-) Gepe
-) Wess
-) Reflekta
-) AP
-) Kaiser
-) Hama
-) Diaspeed
-) Kunze
-) Jensen

 

[guangong]

Glassless slide mounts are available in all sizes. Gape glass mounts are available in 35mm and 6x6. The difficult ones to find are 645 and 6x7 and they tend to be pricey. According to my habits of editing and selecting only my very best for mounting in glass, I believe I have a lifetime supply of these hard to find glass mounts. The ones that are pending glass are mounted in glassless mounts, not the preferred choice for larger formats, but ok until some graduate to glass.

 

[trendland]

I want good ones, and only Gepe seems to be available.

Hi chip j,
so long as you are in business with 35mm slides you can feel comfortable. There a lots of manufacturers who serve different kind of 35mm mounts wich are still afordable.
And I guess with 35mm slides you will have luck for many further years.

With 120 films it is much more expensive indeed. And from pricing you noticed with GePe you're right - they come more and more expensive. During the last decade most manufacturers doubled pricing.
I remember "Kaiser" CS mounts at obout 6,95 bucks (200 pcs.) in 2005 ! Today you have to pay
nearly 12 bucks for the same 200pack.
I have still a couple of GePe 35mm mounts out of the 80th. The type is glassless without metal mask
(no CS buy the way) this are the cheapest Gepe mounts. I payed around 5bucks for 3x50 pcs (a so called 150er package).
You should know that Gepe has the best of today's mounts (from my point) also in the past Gepe had the most expensive ones. For example Gepe antinewton glass mounts in 35mm were offered in 20pcs.
boxes in the past (you also got them in 100th) But they were realy expensive 20years ago : ~ 11 bucks (to 20mounts) if I remember correct.
So the problem from pricing have been allways in regard of :
1) antinewton ? 2) normal glass. 3) glassless ?
Normal glass mounts are not the best ones (from my point) due to different reasons.
If you decide today on glassless it isn't highliest expensive (belive me) !
But the manufacturer wich cheapest mounts (no name brands) ,we experient ones, remember from the past are still not avaible any longer. And that is ok - so far because of not the best quality.
I remember brands of normal glass mounts at 4,50 bucks from the 80th (100pcs). I can imagine that glassless was indeed cheeper (30years ago....) but I bought first Gepe at this time!

So today you should decide what you realy want and what you realy need.

To Gepe your first decision (you need glassless right?) is on CS mounts or on normal ~ 2mm/~3mm system mounts.

If you decide on CS you don't need Gepe because there is no difference to other manufacturers of
CS system (the color of that mounts is different but who cares).....
Coming to ~2 mm (the "thin" ones) you may have luck to get that one without metal mask (they were allways cheaper) - but they might be not avaible any longer.
Metal mask mounts are pretty good buy the way and had normal pricing at around 10 bucks the last years.(100pcs.).

But what you stated is correct - price increasement - so you have to pay 12 bucks sometimes 14 bucks and that is not the end my friend. We might see pricing of around 20 bucks for 100 Gepe metal masked in the near future because increasement is in advance.

But that isn't the case with CS mounts because this type isn't exclusive from GePe.

So the last decision you should take this day is on CS or against CS.

But if you want Gepe metal mask (real better but indeed expensive) you should buy a bigger stash of it next. Because today's pricing will be real "cheap" if you compare in the future (next year so far...)
that means THEY WILL NEVER BE SUCH CHEAP AS TODAY - think about !

with regards

 

[trendland]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/20598-REG/Gepe_457001_35mm_Glassless_Slide_Mounts.html

13 bucks for 100. These work great, I use the little press they make. I edit before I mount, usually only mount 10-12 slides per 36. I do a lot of auto bracketing with 35mm.

Oh my God - that's amazing ! B&H is allways with lowest pricing - but that isn't the case here...!

Now I understand you problems in the US !

This type is the one I still remember out of the 80 = glassless without metal mask ! It is the cheaper version in a modern "form" = 2mm (a thinner type compared to mine 3mm from the 80) so called LKM !

1983 I payed ~ 3,33 bucks for 100pcs. (and they had more plastic with 3mm) compared with today the pricing is four times increased - (x4) ok that might be normal - think about 35 years in advance.

But folks : " Has plastic become indeed such worthfull the last decades ".....!

The production method is from metal mouldings with injection of temperated plastic and the need of realy highest pressure. It is amazing high (100 bars - up to 900 bars) but to mounts there is of course not the need of highest power because such mounts are not very complicate detailed.

The metal mouldings are realy expensive - but they can be used for many many years. The injection machines are expensive too. The modern CAD - CAM technology made the manufacturing of mouldings a little cheaper but to simple mounts you realy don't need this technology.

What is remaining ? As I guess all of today's manufacturers use mouldings > 30 years old and machines > 20 years old the costs of manufacturing are increased from costs of energy, labour costs,
AND P L A S T I C.....?

Never mind because the market is paying what the market is willing to pay and to people who need mounts it is a " MUST HAVE " in a stronger meaning of the modern ( hipster like ). " must have".!

Regarding B&H's. LKM version - that are not the best ones! I also remember to bought the GePe press in the 80th but I didn't used it....
Because the metal mask version is very easy to press (you definitivly don't need a strong hand).

I wouldn't use this type of B%H any longer (exception would be if it is small priced - but just ",perhaps"?) . In fact I didn't need this ones not any longer (since the 90th).

The difference is the following : The mentioned fix points of the LKM version.To explain : The metal mask had'nt the need of fixing points any longer and is MOST variable from fixing. And it is looking real nice.

People you get much more of that " worthfull steel metal " in addition of that modern "worthfull plastic".
(And pricing of steel manufacturing did indeed much compared to the 80th... (hope).

SERIOUSLY : here in Europe the metal mask Gepe glassless are priced with a comparable value of 15 USD !
So I would not recomand a pricing of 13 bucks for the cheaper type.

with regards

PS : The difference is like a " sportscar " of "Volkswagen" (compared to gepe without metal mask )
and a real fast "Porsche" !

But with a modern Ford Interceptor :

you also can reach enough miles per hour (and that is a comparison to CS mounts)!

 

[trendland]

That is heavy :

......as I noticed this price I felt I'll soon need a cardiologist!!

Wonder about full "double pricing" - perhaps this isn't the end today - I can imagine B&H is the cheapest so other dealers want to have more than 30bucks????

Well - if you are smart order in 1000 pcs. via net from Sweeden ! Pay 15 bucks shipping and you'll have a price around 15USD/100pcs x 10 = USD 175,- (including shipping).

If you don't want to spent such a lot money you'll spent in the next years much more !

But here is an other cheap offer of B&H indeed :

That is a real good pricing from my point it is like the pricing I indeed remember from the 80th.
It just make 3,39 bucks for 100 slide mounts (that means plastic had not become such worthfull the last 35years?????)

I can't say if this mounts are such good as it looks (I guess you may fail with that type and bought 1000 of it ) but who knows ? Who can say from visual inspection?

So we all have just learned : SLIDE MOUNTING IS A REAL LUXURY AREA TODAY !

with regards !

The pricing in Europe of GePe (the half) perhaps is a fully compensation of shipping cost over "land"?

Remember to hear about modern pirates last week! Some international maritime routes are in danger
of such pirate gangsters. That probably will explain exploding costs of shipping from Sweeden??
So its on you "Yankees" - call your President sending a carrier group to weed out pirates if it is their responcibility of high slide mount pricing in the US!

with regards

PS : Damned Pirates ....

.....we will fight you !

 

[AgX]

That is heavy
...
I can imagine B&H is the cheapest so other dealers want to have more than 30bucks?

Well, standard size 35mm slide mounts of the type Diaspeed XYZ cost directly from the manufacturer 30€/100.

 

[AgX]

The difficult ones to find are 6x4.5 and 6x7 and they tend to be pricey...

Here in Europe:
4.5x6 50Cents/mount
6x7 70Cents/mount.

 

[trendland]

Now I see your problem, you want good slides that are also cheap.

Billy - as it would go about some simple mounts you'll need to some simple films - but today the problem is of that sort we can't imagine years ago.

I N C R E A S E M E N T ...... !

with regards

PS : With a stash of just 50 E6 Films 35 mm (the same is if you intend to shot some E6 Films quarter to quarter and will buy films time after time) - with 50 Films and a scale of just 20 frames per film you want to mount. You just need 1000 35mm mounts.
(I don't like cheap slide mounts B.T.W)
You also need the boxes for slides (I don't like the "universal" type.

So you have to calculate 20,- up. to 30,- x 10. + the half for the boxes and that may be 300 bucks!

So it is a real difference if you may find a source with cheaper mounts and perhaps you may safe 100bucks. I can't say if 100 bucks is a lot of money to you - I will not die either - same is perhaps for the OP.
But the problem is from the future AND then we may talk about 400,- bucks or 600,- bucks for simple plastic in some gramm (we are not talking about tons or 100 kilos).

 

[trendland]

P I R A T E W A R N I N G :

opening the first offer on Amazon I felt in cardiological crisis again !

Look AND belive :

That makes around USD 100,- including shippment !

So pirates have stopped north Atlantic Route meanwhile. Have a LOOK on shipping costs !

..we will fight you !

 

[AgX]

Direktly from Reflecta you can get them at 12Cent/mount.

 

[chip j]

Thanks for the links, guys. The plastic Gepes @ $13 for 100 looks real good. My lab doesn't mount slides except at a high extra cost--they say mounts are too expensive. I'll be warming up my Pradovit RC!

 

[AgX]

Or warm up your Prado. It can take film strips...

 

[trendland]

Thanks for the links, guys. The plastic Gepes @ $13 for 100 looks real good. My lab doesn't mount slides except at a high extra cost--they say mounts are too expensive. I'll be warming up my Pradovit RC!

Warming up your Pradovit - build up a little stash of halogen repalcement lamps (they will come short next to your Pradovit) get a stash of Ektachrome (or Fujis)......decide on Gepe and have fun for the next years.
Lab mounting was a case for lazy people within the past. Today it is much too expensive to be that lazy.......sorry folks for stating !

with regards

PS : Last I remember with GePe was "Antinewton 6 x 7 " I of course never need it. But I remember pricing at around 21,95 bucks. The special case to that very special Gepe (from their portfolio you now may recognize : it is real professional with GePe also everytime pricing) was - it is a box with just 10pcs.!!!! well it was 6 x 7 AND antinewton. There is also no way with "glassless" mounts on higher format than 6x6 (just from my point)!

So this pack increased within some quarters up to 29,50 bucks = 3 bucks per frame.....last pricing of a local dealer next was 37,95 bucks....a year later he had made a special price :

7 bucks (not per mount - it was concerning the 10pcs. package) so I bought one Gepe 6x7 just AS a souvenir to the good old days.

The pricing (guess it is discontinued now) rased up to 59,95 bucks and that is 6bucks per mount
T H A T. I S. T H E M O S T. . E X P E N S I V E P L A S T I C. A T. 2,7 gramm (per mount) ever I remember.
But last pricing I saw was 69,95.....

...we will fight you !

 

[AgX]

There is also no way with "glassless" mounts on higher format than 6x6 (just from my point)!

The german manufacturers of MF mounts up to 6x9 only manufacture glassless ones.