Sinar F 4x5 as a Viable Field Camera

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Neil Poulsen

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Many years ago, I considered using Sinar 4x5 F cameras. Being interested in landscape, fine art, and architectural photography, I’ve always carried my equipment in a backpack. But looking at Sinar’s recommendation for backpacking Sinar F cameras (2nd photo), I quickly discarded the idea. Not only is the “collapsed” camera oversized and clumsy for a backpack, setting them up and taking them down requires multiple steps. This is fine for a studio, but it wasn’t suitable for me to use in the field.

The point of this thread is to demonstrate how a Sinar F can be customized to make it viable for easy use in the field.

More recently, I had an opportunity to purchase some Sinar Norma equipment at a swap meet for quite a good price and went home with a Norma 8x10 and 4x5. This got me to experimenting, and I devised a (reversible) way to convert a 6” extension rail into a short base rail. It’s a simple matter of immobilizing the red knob so that extensions can be attached. Using this base rail, the collapsed camera is much easier to keep in a backpack. (See 3rd photo.) In fact, the first image shows the camera with a single 6” extension added to the short base rail.

The last image shows how one can immobilize the red knob. The large nut is used merely as a spacer and is inserted first. The fender washer goes over the top of the “spacer” on the post inside the extension. The third is a 6 mm nut that screws onto the post after inserting both the spacer and the washer. You can see how tightening the 6 mm nut can indeed immobilize the red knob on the opposite side of the 6 inch extension. It's nice to have an end cap on the short base rail. Sinar made such an end cap for a (longer) base rail like this one, but they're rare. As shown, one can also make one from wood using a short piece of dowel and a wood disk.

For my purposes, this simple alteration makes a Sinar F 4x5 viable as a field camera. It can easily be stowed in a backpack. From the 5th photo, the camera, both bellows, and the extensions all fit into a fairly constrained space. I always install a quick release tripod plate on my cameras. So setup of this modified system occurs in the single motion of removing the camera from the backpack and placing it onto the tripod head.

Two additional comments on equipment. This camera includes the original Sinar F clamp, which is much preferable to the more recent, taller clamp usually seen on Sinar cameras. Being taller, the later clamp more prone to tuning fork vibrations while the camera’s in use. Their length also makes the camera too long to stow conveniently in a backpack.

As to the second comment, you may note that the rear standard on this camera is different. It was designed for use on a copy camera. To be on axis with the F2 front standard requires that it be raised by about 1.5”. I like using it, because I can then effect, or at least fine tune. “front” rise/fall using just the rear standard. This particular rear standard also does not have tilt, swing, nor shift. (It’s sufficient to have these movements only on the front.) I like this feature as well. It lessens the chance that the rear standard will be out of alignment with the front.

As for the F2 front standard, I had incorrectly assumed that they were manufactured only with the longer 5" risers intended for 8x10 cameras. But obviously, that's not the case. The F2 short risers aren't as long as those on a F or F1 front standard (2 3/8" versus 3"); but, they're sufficiently long for field work.

But using this rear standard is just a personal preference, and they’re hard to find. The regular Sinar F rear standard works very well. In fact, many will likely prefer it, because it includes tilt, swing and shift.
 

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Once the collapsed camera is mounted on the tripod head, one need only add the number of extensions needed to obtain the desired length of rail. I carry two 6” extensions (see 1st photo) for this purpose. (Of course, one can add longer extensions.) They’re easy to carry and easy to attach as needed. Added as shown provides a total rail length of 18”.

With the usual Sinar pleated bellows, it can be a bit of a challenge to use even a 14” lens. I prefer the longer bellows shown, because it can accommodate even 19” or 20” lenses. To tell the difference in an Ebay photo, the longer bellows has about 22 pleats, whereas the shorter bellows have about 19 or 20 pleats. They can be found for quite reasonable prices, because sellers are often unaware of what they have.
 

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A pet pieve of mine regarding Sinar bag bellows is the generous amount of material used in their construction. (1st photo.) I suppose Sinar does this to minimize the need to switch back and forth with the pleated bellows. But with short lenses, and with movements, this extra material can get in the way. So I customized my bag bellows by removing some of this material. (2nd photo.)

It was easy enough. It’s a matter of removing the metal frames on the interior of the bellows, turning the bellows inside out, flattening the bellows, and sewing a line about 1" interior to the outside edge. (3rd & 4th photos.) After completing the sewing, one can cut the unneeded material down to within about 1/4" of the sewn thread. (5th photo.) Then, it's a matter of turning the bellows outside in and replacing the interior frames. That will remove 1.5” of bellows material, making the bellows easier to use and less bulky.
 

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I wanted to post this thread, because I really enjoy using the camera that results from making these accomodations. Of course, the most important customization is the short base rail. It’s such an obvious advantage, it surprises me that Sinar didn’t themselves offer a similar option. People sometimes ask for 4x5 camera recommendations.

This would be mine. Sinar F cameras can be found for under $200. It’s a member of Sinar’s comprehensive system of photographic equipment, so accessories and parts are readily available. They allow for interchangeable bellows, so they can be used for just about any large format application, and they have the stability of a rail camera. All said and done, they are really excellent cameras.
 
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Good for you. I tried schlepping my F1 in a pack and found it to be a real PIA.
 

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Good for you. I tried schlepping my F1 in a pack and found it to be a real PIA.
Same. I love it inside the house as a 'studio' camera, but it's annoying to have to haul it around. I sometimes do it if I want to shoot roll film in a rol film back which my old Toyo doesn't accept. But then as well it remains an irritating experience.
 

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I carry a Sinar F2. No problem. Two lenses, a few film holders. Gitzo 3530 tripod.

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Thanks for the article! I will try to duplicate your 6" rail idea. Right now I carry my F2 hanging in a box made of cardboard covered with contact paper
with a sheet of vinyl covered cloth covering the bottom.

On the US east coast the distances from the car are usually short but if needed I strap the case to an army surplus alice packboard.
 

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Neil Poulsen, someone linked to your write-up on largeformatphotography.com in another thread and I read it enthusiastically. You really helped me re-think how to carry my Norma on hiking trips. Between you and Drew Wiley's Rubbermaid-container-as-fancyass-camera-case, I'm getting very close to something that will work for me.

Though Bob Eskridge's cardboard-and-contact-paper approach gives me something to think about, too.

Many thanks.
 

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I've told this many times before, but I've walked well over 10,000 miles of steep terrain carrying a Sinar F system, plus full camping gear and food etc. It's a wonderful outdoor system, and in a few minutes I'm heading out with a fully tricked out Norma in an external frame pack. For longer multi-day treks at this age (70), I do have a little 4x5 Ebony folder. But I still prefer the greater versatility and faster operation of a Sinar monorail whenever possible.
 
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Neil Poulsen, someone linked to your write-up on largeformatphotography.com in another thread and I read it enthusiastically. You really helped me re-think how to carry my Norma on hiking trips. Between you and Drew Wiley's Rubbermaid-container-as-fancyass-camera-case, I'm getting very close to something that will work for me.

Though Bob Eskridge's cardboard-and-contact-paper approach gives me something to think about, too.

Many thanks.

Thanks. :smile:

That's one of the threads targeted at 8x10. The short rail in that thread uses the regular 2" cap to make the short 6" rail above a little longer. That's needed for 8x10 cameras, and as it turns out, it's also better than the above for Sinar Norma 4x5's, which have bases on their standards that are a little longer. I thought that it would be advantageous to have a thread (this thread) that was meant for 4x5 F cameras.
 

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The point of this thread is to demonstrate how a Sinar F can be customized to make it viable for easy use in the field.

F stands for Field, IIRC

The Norma also folds one standard over the other, for transport...

The Norma is what I would bring to the field, IMO it is more a piece of gear, and also it is a sign of distinction and elegance !

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In that case, you may value the reason why the Norma sports “Distinction and elegance”. It is elegant because it provides reliable mechanisms that are ultra durable, easy to service, and practical to operate, the unit I own worked dayly for some 4 decades and still it's in like new condition, the second owner that had made his carrer with it shot with it most of the forensic jobs of a 3 million people city.

It is a sign of distinction because it was designed personally by Koch. "In 1947 Carl Koch applied for a patent for the Sinar camera, and 1948 Sinar was founded. The outstanding feature of this camera was achieved by means of standardized components carefully designed to form a highly versatile building block system." The Norma it's a remarkable milestone in the industrial evolution for that kind of photography, and many feel it's industrial beauty.

Of course you don't need at all a Norma to make great photographs, and every photograher has it's favourite gear, many great cameras are around, including the F, but no dout that the Norma it's a timeless impressive design that holds its remarkable versatility value since 1948.
 
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The Sinar-F becomes a better field camera when you replace its large tripod mounting block with the smaller one from a Norma. (I use a Norma now but used an F2 on the job for many years.)
 

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The elegance of my method is that you don't need to fold anything over, or detach anything. I mostly use long lenses, so generally have at least 18 inches of monorail already connected, the bellows fully connected, even a compendium shade and lens in place. I just pull it out of the pack insert, expand the bellows, check the zero detents, pop a lens cap (or switch to another lens), then begin focus and composition. Fast to set up, which can be important in a storm.
The original Norma-style tapered bellows is usable over a wider range of focal lengths than the standard 4x5 box bellows, and can be fitted on later Sinar F cameras too. The Norma is somewhat more rugged than the F standards with only a little more weight. It's actually vertically smaller than the F2 system, which has far longer rods than necessary for field use. I have both systems. But nearly everything is interchangeable, so you can mix and match as needed.
When I used the Sinar almost exclusively for long mountain and desert trips, I'd drop it in fully assembled and ready to use between two tupperware containers, each containing six filmholders, with my goosedown jacket as a cushion in between, surrounding the camera itself - plus plastic trashcan liners to keep everything dry in a storm or accidental submersion in a tricky creek crossing, which did happen many times. Goosedown is a superb thermal insulator too, so I didn't have to worry about the film.
But now at almost 71, I admit I find it necessary to carry more food than I once did, since I take somewhat longer to get from point to point, and therefore require more pack space for that kind of amenity, so use a little 4X5 Ebony folder for long-haul backpacking. Even more pack space is attained either by substituting 6X9 roll film holders or compact Mido 4X5 holders, or a mix of these, now that Quickload and Readyload sleeves are no longer made. But the greater versatility and speed of operation of the Norma monorail still make it my all-time favorite 4X5 dayhiking system, with the F2 close behind.
 
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The Sinar-F becomes a better field camera when you replace its large tripod mounting block with the smaller one from a Norma. (I use a Norma now but used an F2 on the job for many years.)

Indeed! In fact, the original Sinar F clamp shown in the OP has the same basic dimensions as the Norma clamp. The difference is that the Norma clamsp permits side-to-side tilt and is usable on a Sinar pan-tilt head.

On the other hand, I use a three-way Manfrotto head, so I prefer the original F clamp without side-to-side tilt. (A three-way head includes side to side tilt already.)
 

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The Norma clamp is not only lower profile, but a lot stronger or tighter against slippage. If I were to use the taller Sinar rail clamp again, it would have to be the deluxe version that clamps the rail completely over the top to create fully surrounding friction. Tip over sideways issues with the regular F series clamp drove me crazy.
 
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